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Adam Munich
Wed Nov 24 2010, 08:51PM Print
Adam Munich Registered Member #2893 Joined: Tue Jun 01 2010, 09:25PM
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Say you made a radio circuit that transmits at 563909.77 GHz (532nm wavelength). Wouldn't the energy emitted from the antenna be green light? Now obviously a circuit like this won't be built with our current technology, but it's kind of crazy to think about, light radio.
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klugesmith
Wed Nov 24 2010, 10:19PM
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Why would you call it a radio circuit instead of a lamp?
(carefully define your terms "circuit" and "antenna").
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Adam Munich
Wed Nov 24 2010, 10:34PM
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IDK, I used those terms loosely. I was just thinking about how the energy that would radiate from the cold wire would be monochromatic light.
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Download
Thu Nov 25 2010, 03:21AM
Download Registered Member #561 Joined: Sat Mar 03 2007, 02:46AM
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The problem would be getting something to operate at such a frequency
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Fraggle
Thu Nov 25 2010, 03:31AM
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That got me wondering if you could get `beats` from the superposition of two light waves that fall in the radio spectrum.
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klugesmith
Thu Nov 25 2010, 04:53AM
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Fraggle wrote ...

That got me wondering if you could get `beats` from the superposition of two light waves that fall in the radio spectrum.
Oh yes, in fact that's a way to test the bandwidth of fast optical receivers. For example,
mix light from 2 lasers of same intensity and 10 GHz frequency separation, you get a sinusoidal 10 GHz amplitude modulation. (for that you need lasers with much narrower spectral width than common laser diodes).

Look up wavelength division multiplexing (in optical fiber communication).
In the quartz fiber low-attenuation sweet spot around 1550 nm wavelength, the standard channel wavelengths are actually defined in terms of frequency (whole multiples of 100 GHz, or 200, or 50).
Link2
Just as in radio, the channel spacing places a limit on the, uh, bandwidth per channel.
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Bjørn
Thu Nov 25 2010, 08:03AM
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All those digits and it is all wrong after the third...


There is nothing special with any part of the elecromagnetic spectrum, the energy per photon rises with frequency and it gradually becomes more interesting as photons become capable of breaking bonds and knocking things around. Link2
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Steve Conner
Thu Nov 25 2010, 10:10AM
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I would call it a laser. tongue

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Pinky's Brain
Thu Nov 25 2010, 10:45AM
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It might be possible to build near PHz oscillators with deep sub-micron superconducting circuits, but it's a couple orders of magnitude from what has been accomplished (THz).

It has been done in the other direction though ... metal-oxide-metal diodes can rectify the electric field from light.
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Pinky's Brain
Thu Nov 25 2010, 11:10AM
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Klugesmith wrote ...

Why would you call it a radio circuit instead of a lamp?
Because you modulate electron flows inside a circuit to create an EM field ... rather than bumping electrons (or photons) into molecules and using molecular oscillation phenomena to do it (which is what we usually do in lamps and lasers).
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