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ben5017
Tue Dec 18 2012, 05:49PM
ben5017 Registered Member #3315 Joined: Thu Oct 14 2010, 04:23PM
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Saz, Where did you get the powdered iron used for you flux augmentation? Did you ever run some tests to compare performance data of iron vs no iron?
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Yandersen
Tue Dec 18 2012, 10:02PM
Yandersen Registered Member #6944 Joined: Fri Sept 28 2012, 04:54PM
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I did it with FEMM, but for different coil shape. Even in saturated case (~5T) iron washers at the ends are highly beneficial. Even shortening the wire space replacing it with additional iron washers seems to be more efficient. 1/5 more efficiency with washers, I would say from top of my head. But keep in mind increase in fuko currents losses, which in practice lower efficiency of high stages with short pulse times. Powdered iron should lower this effect, but I just didn't collected enough iron scrap to wrap it all over my coils.
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Maxwell
Wed Dec 19 2012, 01:33AM
Maxwell Registered Member #8497 Joined: Tue Dec 04 2012, 06:24PM
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Has anyone coated their coils in JB Weld (Steel epoxy)? The resin is attracted to magnets - which mean there is real steel/iron in the mixture.

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Yandersen
Wed Dec 19 2012, 04:08AM
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I doubt the density of the steel particles is high enough to make any difference - you will need to add iron filings anyway.

Why wouldn't you just use iron washers at the ends of a coil and cover it with piece of wide iron pipe? This will work perfect for sure. This stuff is easily available at Home Depot.

I also tried a ferrite EMI supressors (ferrite halves used to be putten on cables) as external iron - with those coil gives around 10% more energy to the projectile.
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BigBad
Wed Dec 19 2012, 01:28PM
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I think [JB WELD] probably should work, the permeability of iron/steel is very high, diluting it like that, even a few percent should make a huge increase in permeability over that of air.
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BigBad
Wed Dec 19 2012, 01:29PM
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High permeability materials are laterally destabilising though; you may find if you add a lot of it close to the bore that the projectile jams.
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BigBad
Wed Dec 19 2012, 01:58PM
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I did some more analysis of the chain of coil/capacitors.

It looks like you put a capacitor in parallel with each coil, and then put the coil/caps pairs in series in a row, each tuned to a higher frequency than the previous coil, and drive them from one end with the right kind of signal (roughly speaking a rising tone, but it's more complicated than that). I think you need two or three chains as well to give phases.

I haven't finished analysing it yet though, there's interactions between projectile length and q factors, also the presence or absence of the projectile changes the inductance. It may be you need a projectile that's several cycles long for it to work, but it looks interesting.
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Yandersen
Wed Dec 19 2012, 09:23PM
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Was it to Saz or to me?.. %/
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BigBad
Sat Dec 22 2012, 02:01PM
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Well, both, JB weld should work because steel is very high permeability, and should give very low losses.
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MrFlatox
Wed Jan 16 2013, 10:44PM
MrFlatox Registered Member #9349 Joined: Mon Jan 07 2013, 08:50AM
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Hi, first, I am amazed by the quality of your work !

I have a few questions about your design :

I don't understand the meaning of "diodes that commutate", could you explain a little please ? Is it just diodes put across the coil in anti-parallel configuration to absorb and circulate the back EMF produced by the coil ? Why putting 4 diodes in series hasten the current drop in the coil more than just one ? Is it due to Vforward drop of each diode that stacks ?

As you are working under relatively low voltage (50v) why do you use IGBTs ? Would it possible to do the same job with mosfets ?

Thanks in advance, and keep up the good work !:-D
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