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fluorocarbon for a tektronix p6015 hv probe .....

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Adam Munich
Sat Nov 27 2010, 09:57PM
Adam Munich Registered Member #2893 Joined: Tue Jun 01 2010, 09:25PM
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I think the butane is a good idea. Today, just to see what would happen I put the wires from a BBQ igniter into a jar and filled it with butane. I powered up the igniter and guess what I saw? Sparks. Just sparks, no explosions or flames.

There was an article on hackaday a while back where someone recharged his air conditioner with propane. It worked well, and nothing went kaboom.
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testtest
Sat Nov 27 2010, 11:01PM
testtest Registered Member #3271 Joined: Mon Oct 04 2010, 02:29AM
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someone recharged his air conditioner with propane. It worked well, and nothing went kaboom.

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It would work but if there is a leak isnt propane heavier than air? I remember in Toronto when a propane tank was stored on a balcony in a highrise appartment building. Took the whole balconey out and broke windows in the building across the street. Just because it works does not mean its safe. Look at your car with the fuel pump electric motor in the tank and cooled by the fuel. No oxygen is fine but can you garantee it at all times...?? "Feel lucky punk" No offense ment by the way, just a film reference...
Cheers shades
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Adam Munich
Sat Nov 27 2010, 11:06PM
Adam Munich Registered Member #2893 Joined: Tue Jun 01 2010, 09:25PM
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Well then spend a few hundred more dollars on a tank of sulfur hexafluoride. It's patrick's choice after all.
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testtest
Sat Nov 27 2010, 11:50PM
testtest Registered Member #3271 Joined: Mon Oct 04 2010, 02:29AM
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I wonder if a car aircon $25 can in a recharge kit would do the job after all?
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Adam Munich
Sun Nov 28 2010, 12:00AM
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Actually I just remembered that canned air is tetrafluoroethane, or R-134a. You could possibly substitute that, and for 5 bux a can it's worth a shot.
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Patrick
Sun Nov 28 2010, 02:24AM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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remember r134a has a way higher vapour pressure, 90 psi instead of 28 psi ! it might burst !
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Adam Munich
Sun Nov 28 2010, 02:31AM
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Hmm, butane it is then?
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Patrick
Sun Nov 28 2010, 02:47AM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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yeah i think so, also i cant contact Terry Fritz, i just get an "e-mail wont go through warning."
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Sulaiman
Sun Nov 28 2010, 10:53AM
Sulaiman Registered Member #162 Joined: Mon Feb 13 2006, 10:25AM
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P6015 pdf
]tektronix_p6015_3-90_small.pdf[/file]

The flashover appeared to occur on the inside surface of the plastic
from the central probe to the outside metal sleeve/shield, with no dielectric whilst 'scoping eht flyback pulses. No track marks left!
High dv/dt goes where it pleases!

Many moons now and the butane does not look to have escaped.
Opened and checked - the rubber seal is not damaged/corroded.


VERY IMPORTANT - I am using butane at home for my hobby use.
I am not recomending it for others and certainly not in a 'legal liabilities' situation. I certainly could not do this at my workplace..
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Patrick
Sun Nov 28 2010, 05:59PM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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Sulaiman wrote ...

The flashover appeared to occur on the inside surface of the plastic
from the central probe to the outside metal sleeve/shield, with no dielectric whilst 'scoping eht flyback pulses. No track marks left!
High dv/dt goes where it pleases!
yep!


Sulaiman wrote ...

VERY IMPORTANT - I am using butane at home for my hobby use.
I am not recomending it for others and certainly not in a 'legal liabilities' situation. I certainly could not do this at my workplace..
yeah i did not think otherwise!



and SF6 is difficult to use, plus $$$ so i dont know where and how i would get it.
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