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Questions about a simple HV scope probe (20kV - DC and AC 50Hz)

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Wed Jun 05 2013, 05:31PM
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Regarding oil, be sure to check out the dielectric properties. Some oils can have much higher significant dielectric constants than others which means they will introduce much more stray capacitance into your divider and affect the frequency response.

This is especially important in high bandwidth applications. An oil with high dielectric will really slow down your response due to the high stray capacitance.
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Patrick
Thu Jun 06 2013, 11:21PM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
Location: Chico, CA. USA
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my previous threads :

Link2 High voltage probe for O-scope, 2 of 2, ( FABRICATION ).

Link2 High Voltage resistors, Measuring M Ohms to high accuracy.

Link2 High Voltage measurment with an O-scope....

Link2 High voltage probe for O-scope, 1 of 2, ( DEVELOPMENT ).

Link2 About High Voltage Insulating oils ....

Link2 Protecting O-scope inputs from HV transients...

Link2 Learning from North Star HV probes...

Link2 Capacitive Voltage divider, for O-scopes (10,000:1)

Link2 Making liquid tight or silicone resistor containers....

Link2 Potential Transformers, HV measurement.

Link2 HV Resistors for HV measurement.... (more important, shows methods known to work)

Link2 HV Flyback Bench Top Power Supply for Lab. (more important, exactly what your trying to do.)


i quote myself:
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Patrick wrote ...

im thinking of making a tray of hard epoxy, filling it with Silicone tub and tile caulk, then pressing the resistors in to the wet silicone. if neccasary the silicone can be removed, and the resistors reused, this removes the hazard of springing a oil leak. since the silicone and epoxy are both solids.

i was advised by senior app engineer Richard Drawz, from Caddock not to hard encapsulate the resistors, as a difference in TCo would cause gaps between the resistor body and insulator, where corona will surely pop up. if expansion doesnt cause gaps, then shrinkage may cause cracking of the resistor Al2O body/core. so he advised only oil be used. He speculated that silicone would reduce heat dissipation over what is normally air, oil would increase effective wattage.

i wonder if silicone would conform to any dimensional changes while not being a liquid.

for background see these previous threads:
Link2

Link2

Link2


this is a great pic, from LutzH, his FuG.

1249680662 1721 FT0 Fugintprts


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PhilGood
Tue Jun 11 2013, 08:12PM
PhilGood Registered Member #3806 Joined: Sat Apr 02 2011, 09:20PM
Location: France
Posts: 259
Thanks guys for your replies and thanks Patrick for all the links !

I found a very clever idea on Sam's repair faq HV Link2

'Samuel M. Goldwasser ' wrote ...
A variety of devices could be placed across R2 to limit the maximum voltage present in the event of a breakdown. Suitable devices include neon light bulbs (NE2s without resistors)… The neon bulb is good since its impedance is essentially infinite until its breakdown of 90 volts or so is reached.
I really like the idea of this neon bulb across R2 !

I received the HV resistors and will start first tests soon...

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