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Uspring
Sat Apr 08 2017, 08:36AM
Uspring Registered Member #3988 Joined: Thu Jul 07 2011, 03:25PM
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Dr. Slack wrote:
I'm not sure what you mean by a loop 'enclosing' the toroid.
I'll use klugesmiths drawing to explain. Imagine the red torus to be a CT, i.e. a toroidial winding and the blue torus a wire loop. The wire loop then "encloses" the CT. Not enclosed would be the case if the blue torus is removable from the red one.
A convenient way to see whether a conductor is linked magnetically to the core is to see whether the conductor encloses (that word again) the flux that's in the core.
There might be flux outside the core. That depends on the u of the core and geometry. If there is, then it can go through a loop, induce voltage there and therefore the loop will be coupled. For a high u core that might be negligible.
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Dr. Slack
Sat Apr 08 2017, 06:47PM
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If Klugsmith's red ring is the flux-carrying core of the CT, and the blue ring a wire loop, then I'd say the blue ring *links* the red ring, or the blue ring *encloses* the flux in the red ring. The blue ring does not enclose the toroid, or at least, I find that description ambiguous.

Flux outside the red ring? Let's KISS with the ideal case of infinite permeability and say there's no flux outside the red ring. In the real case, the flux outside the red ring will be negligible. It certainly won't turn an earth wire loop that doesn't link the CT flux into one that does.

AFAICS from the picture, the earth tail loops do not link the flux in the CT core, because they go up and back again. The three phase conductors, red, blue and yellow, do link the CT flux, as they go through once.
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beniroli
Mon Apr 10 2017, 09:28AM
beniroli Registered Member #61276 Joined: Mon Nov 07 2016, 08:44AM
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From what I see the CT is for a ground fault device. The routing of the ground leads is to prevent a sharp bend
at the bottom.
- I'm afraid not. the routing is purely because the installer thought they conductors had to run through the CT

Not seen, but of interest, is how the single cables enter the (presumed) steel enclosure . - see pdf from 1st post. and attached pic. they come from the gland. also tied to the copper screen.

Are the individual cables secured with a non ferrous connector? Cables of ampacity in the hundreds
will heat iron ring surrounds to an extent to , melt or compromise the cable insulation.
- copper lug I assume.

I am not an inspector, but have installed cables to boxes, low and high voltage. An inspector
might grumble the box is too small to cramp the CT like that
as shown in pdf, the pic is only part of the compartment, below floor is where cable made off.


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beniroli
Mon Apr 10 2017, 09:33AM
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beniroli
Mon Apr 10 2017, 09:35AM
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Uspring
Mon Apr 10 2017, 10:41AM
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Dr. Slack wrote:
In the real case, the flux outside the red ring will be negligible.
I agree with mostly with this. Depends on the core u. For larger u the outside flux decreases.
It certainly won't turn an earth wire loop that doesn't link the CT flux into one that does.
The magnitude of coupling depends on whether there is a linkage or not. Granted, that in the not linking case the coupling is likely to be tiny.

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