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Ken Williams
Thu Jun 06 2013, 04:22AM
Ken Williams Registered Member #8247 Joined: Thu Nov 22 2012, 03:14AM
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klugesmith wrote ...

Since there's DC current in T2 primary winding, we can't rule out DC current in its secondary winding.

This is another question I have, so to confirm what your saying here is - based on the laws of inductance it DOES NOT have to be a real AC (oscillating from + to -) coming out of the high voltage transformer then correct? I mean its a DC only sawtooth pattern going in, it can then be a positive only waveform coming out too? Or will it always be a real AC + and - coming out?

Thanks for your continued help.
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klugesmith
Thu Jun 06 2013, 05:07AM
klugesmith Registered Member #2099 Joined: Wed Apr 29 2009, 12:22AM
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Ken Williams wrote ...
This is another question I have, so to confirm what your saying here is - based on the laws of inductance it DOES NOT have to be a real AC (oscillating from + to -) coming out of the high voltage transformer then correct? I mean its a DC only sawtooth pattern going in, it can then be a positive only waveform coming out too? Or will it always be a real AC + and - coming out?

Thanks for your continued help.
The average -voltage- on each winding is necessarily zero (not counting IR drop).
But you can have DC -current- in any number of windings,
preferably such that their magnetizing effects (DC ampere-turns) cancel each other.
Flyback transformers and converters are common examples.
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Steve Conner
Thu Jun 06 2013, 08:57AM
Steve Conner Registered Member #30 Joined: Fri Feb 03 2006, 10:52AM
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High voltage pulses of the sort that would come from this circuit are notoriously difficult to measure. The entire "free energy" hobbyist "industry" is pretty much based on using these kinds of circuits to fool digital meters into under-reading.

A moving-coil analog meter would be my preferred solution as it will read true average current for pretty much any waveform. Crest factor would be limited by the meter's coil arcing over.

If you're not looking for free energy, you can measure the DC input power to the circuit, estimate losses by feeling how hot the various components get, and use conservation of energy to estimate the output currents. This only works for average current, not RMS.
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Dr. Dark Current
Thu Jun 06 2013, 10:59AM
Dr. Dark Current Registered Member #152 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 03:36PM
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Yes simply use a magnetoelectric analog meter (the DC type).
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