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cloning hard drives (IDE to SATA)

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Avi
Wed Mar 18 2009, 07:39AM Print
Avi Registered Member #580 Joined: Mon Mar 12 2007, 03:17PM
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Posts: 410
I am trying to copy an IDE hard drive onto a larger SATA drive such that it is both bootable, and has more free space.
A direct byte for byte copy would result in a partition not filling the entire drive.
A file copy would result in a non bootable hard drive.
I have tried every single clone tool on the "ultimate boot CD", the only clone tool that actually supported both IDE and SATA and different partition sizes was the very last one "clonewipe".
However it has not worked flawlessly, although it completed without error, the drive did not pass chdsk without needing to make any changes, so i am not happy with that program.
Does anyone recommend something to use (i guess it should boot off a cd if i want to include the windows installation itself?)

After going into bios and changing the boot sequence to the new drive and booting windows, I could not get it to become the C drive, and was quite unstable, i suspect it was still reading things off the other drive when anything points to C. How should this issue be dealt with?
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Jason
Wed Mar 18 2009, 01:47PM
Jason Registered Member #896 Joined: Sun Jul 15 2007, 01:56AM
Location: Hudson Valley, New York
Posts: 4
First, I am assuming you are using windows XP and the NTFS filesystem. This will not work with FAT32.
I would suggest doing a byte for byte copy to the new drive then expand the volume.

Do the byte copy to the new drive (use your favorite disc utility)
Try to boot off the new drive and make sure it works properly.
Once in windows use the disc management console to expand the volume to use the whole disc. (If I remember correctly you hold down shift and right-click on the unused space. It should give you a expand option.) Depending on your computer and the size of the drive it may take a long time!

*As a side note, before you clone the disc, make sure the SATA controller has the proper drivers installed and is detected under windows.
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Carbon_Rod
Thu Mar 19 2009, 06:42AM
Carbon_Rod Registered Member #65 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 06:43AM
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XP does not like large drives, SATA (in bios turn on IDE emulation), and as of SP2 100G+ FAT32 partitions.

The IDE emulation will be slow, but allows most cloning software to work.

Note that linux based liveCD utilities usually don't care about such things:
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Tips:
* install the SATA drivers before the cloning
* reseal any XP installations prior to the transfer (sysprep)
* turn off emulation after cloning is successful
* some vendor hardware becomes unstable by mixing SATA and IDE

Cheers,
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Avi
Thu Mar 19 2009, 08:18AM
Avi Registered Member #580 Joined: Mon Mar 12 2007, 03:17PM
Location: Melbourne, Australia
Posts: 410
I have solved it, just for the record the solution is to disable "set as active" on the IDE drive from a partition editor. otherwise it would boot it no matter what its drive letter was!
In the end i used dd to copy the MBR and the partition and then expanded it with partition magic (windows disk management does NOT expand basic volumes).
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Conundrum
Fri Mar 20 2009, 08:02AM
Conundrum Registered Member #96 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 05:37PM
Location: CI, Earth
Posts: 4059
OK, I had this problem. I ended up using the "dos manager" tool and putting a copy of Ghost on one of the drives. Solved!

-A
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