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Zyrppa
Wed Mar 28 2007, 04:49PM Print
Zyrppa Registered Member #609 Joined: Wed Mar 28 2007, 04:18PM
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Hi.

I got MOT and after reading this forum, i realised that it needs ballast. I don't fully understand english, but i understood that ballast is coil that limits current coming from MOTs secondary, and it is installed in series with MOTs sec.


So, can i use flyback from TV ballast or will it just burn or melt? Or is it possible to use just some 230/12 or similar transformer as ballast?

Thanks.
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Dr. Shark
Wed Mar 28 2007, 05:01PM
Dr. Shark Registered Member #75 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 09:30AM
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Hi,
you don't necessarily need a ballast, you can try without, but it might blow your circuit breaker.

It is a lot easier to have the ballast on the primary side, and you will not be able to get away with a flimsy wall-wart transformer. Figure a piece of iron about as big as your MOT, with thick enough wire to support the 5A or so that the MOT takes.
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cbfull
Wed Mar 28 2007, 06:31PM
cbfull Registered Member #187 Joined: Thu Feb 16 2006, 02:54PM
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The best and easiest way I have come across to ballast a MOT (or pretty much ANY 50/60Hz transformer for that matter) is by a minor and fairly simple rewiring of a variac so it ballasts the primary of your xformer. This allows you to adjust the amount of ballasting from nearly zero all the way to full current. The best part is, the output voltage (open circuit) stays the same all the way through the sweep. This is especially useful on HV transformers.

I'm sure just about anyone here can describe how to rewire one if you need help, that is, assuming you have a variac.
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Part Scavenger
Wed Mar 28 2007, 07:31PM
Part Scavenger Registered Member #79 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 11:35AM
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It only needs ballast depending on what you are doing with it. Most people (on the cheap) use another MOT to ballast their other MOT's.

To convert the MOT into a ballast, connect one end of the secondary to the MOT's core (which is usually already done anyway) Then, connect the other end to the core as well. Voila! You have a ballast. Just put the primary of the ballast MOT in series with the MOT you are trying to ballast.

There is an article at my site under the articles section. Link2 Click on "Current Limiting."
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Myke
Thu Mar 29 2007, 02:00AM
Myke Registered Member #540 Joined: Mon Feb 19 2007, 07:49PM
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I tried that an i figured that it will still draw too much current so sould i just use more MOTs?
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Part Scavenger
Thu Mar 29 2007, 02:26AM
Part Scavenger Registered Member #79 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 11:35AM
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As a MOT or as a ballast? Adding another MOT in series will only increase the current. Adding another ballast will decrease the current.
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Nik
Thu Mar 29 2007, 03:45AM
Nik Registered Member #53 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 04:31AM
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^^ Adding anther mot (with the HV windings open) in series will result in a big drop in current (I've tried out of curiousity).
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Fusion
Thu Mar 29 2007, 09:31AM
Fusion Registered Member #354 Joined: Thu Mar 30 2006, 10:12AM
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I used a 100W lamp. It exist also 500W, if you sets 2 in parallel, you will limit to 1000W.
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Zyrppa
Thu Mar 29 2007, 12:27PM
Zyrppa Registered Member #609 Joined: Wed Mar 28 2007, 04:18PM
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I can't get another MOT so i can't use it as ballast.

How about choke from fluorescent lamp ?If it can be used, it must be connect to primary winding, right?



cbfull, do you have schematic or something from that variac thing?
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Myke
Thu Mar 29 2007, 01:49PM
Myke Registered Member #540 Joined: Mon Feb 19 2007, 07:49PM
Location: MIT
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the socondary was not open.
before I used lamps but it was hard to get enough power and I wen up to about 900W woth it. I then used a hair drier instead and it was better.
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