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Plasma
Sat Feb 09 2019, 08:52PM Print
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In another thread someone mentioned fridge compressor can be used as vacuum pump.
Is it just something intusic about fridge compressor, or can I chain the workshop composer together?
Is it the difference from input to output and the number in series that will ditectate the final pressure.

I'm after a cheap way to get lowish pressure 1psi.

Thanks
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2Spoons
Sat Feb 09 2019, 11:26PM
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The cheapest way to get to 1 psi would be a water aspirator. Also known as a Venturi pump.
You can easily make one with a few short pieces of copper pipe.
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Patrick
Sun Feb 10 2019, 03:23AM
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here:

Link2

and others on ebay.
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2Spoons
Sun Feb 10 2019, 05:54AM
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And here's an aspirator:
Link2

The pump will reach a much lower pressure than the aspirator, but the aspirator is a better option for nasty gases, such as vacuum distilling acids.
Both are cheap enough there's no need to muck about with fridge compressors or similar.
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Plasma
Sun Feb 10 2019, 09:22AM
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Thanks you two, I'm going to get the aspirator, and see if it gets low enough to light a plasma with a Nst.
I didn't think it could get that cheap :)
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2Spoons
Sun Feb 10 2019, 08:53PM
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Plasma wrote ...

and see if it gets low enough to light a plasma with a Nst.

My home made one does, so the bought one should be capable too. The colder your water is the better the vacuum will be.

Be warned: when you turn off the water you will lose your vacuum, and its likely any water remaining in the aspirator will be sucked back into what ever you evacuated. So add a valve and/or a trap (just another jar between your experiment and your aspirator to catch any water).
This doesn't happen with pumps - they will hold vacuum without power.
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Proud Mary
Wed Feb 13 2019, 02:25AM
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Don't overlook the very cheap hand operated pistol-grip type vacuum pump. Some low pressure devices do not require a high vacuum for interesting effects to be observed. As an example, Geiger-Muller tubes operate at pressures between 5% - 50% of air pressure, which can easily be achieved with the hand operated pump where only a small volume of low pressure gas is required in the tube.
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Plasma
Wed Feb 13 2019, 03:25AM
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Proud Mary I'm not sure what you mean by hand cranked vacuum pump, is there a brand I could search for.

I'm trying to ionizes air and separate positive and negative ion into a cloud, with All mesh in the cloud.

There's this from salgma Aldrich Link2
100mmhg or 2 psi, it looks good.
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Proud Mary
Wed Feb 13 2019, 04:11PM
Proud Mary Registered Member #543 Joined: Tue Feb 20 2007, 04:26PM
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Hi Plasma, I mean a very cheap pump like this one on ebay: Link2

With one of these you can reduce the pressure in a small volume chamber - like a glass test tube - sufficient to make old-fashioned Geiger Muller tubes (high voltage with organic quench like ethanol or butane) and produce other effects.
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