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A generator with a resonance capacitor

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Plasma
Sun Oct 29 2017, 05:36PM Print
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I was wondering if I measure the inductance of the windings and measure the frequency will a capacitor increase the current from the generator.
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Sulaiman
Sun Oct 29 2017, 05:53PM
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Yes, in theory, because as you suspect, the capacitance can 'cancel' the effects of the effective source inductance
but
No, because the current available is usually limited by overheating of the winding resistances etc, the effective source inductance is not the limiting factor.

EDIT: where you see 'effective source' above I originally wrote 'leakage', which is not correct.

P.S. 's
. I assumed an alternator but the principle is similar for a transformer- if the transformed in-circuit primary impedance is included in your calculations.
. The cost of the capacitor required vs. 'savings' may need consideration.
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hen918
Sun Oct 29 2017, 09:19PM
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As Sulaiman said, all that will do is remove the current limiting effect of the leakage inductance and make it easier for whatever is driving your transformer to explode due to over current (dependant on application). It would not reduce the power loss from the transformer.

In other words, it would decrease reactive power to the transformer, leave real power unchanged, and leave the output unchanged with a reduced current limiting capability.
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Plasma
Mon Oct 30 2017, 08:39AM
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Another forum mentioned power factor capacitor, based along the same lines. How would you select the values, would it just be parrellel resonance.
cheers
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hen918
Mon Oct 30 2017, 09:46AM
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If you want it to be resonant under full load, short the secondary out (when the transformer is off obviously) and measure the inductance on the primary. This is the combined leakage inductance and magnetising inductance in parallel.

Use this inductance and the formula f = 1/(2pi*sqrt(LC)) (you'll need to rearrange) to calculate the required capacitance. This is only an approximation, as it does not take into account the increased resistance on the secondary you would see under real load.
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Plasma
Tue Oct 31 2017, 02:47AM
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I would like to learn about PFC, I just assumed that it is parrellel resonance. After read wiki I assume it's any capacitor that can handle kvar.
It also said you can overdo it.
would it add much for a three phase genny, going through the a bridge recifter then ripple capacitor to a mppt solar grid inverter
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radiotech
Tue Oct 31 2017, 05:56AM
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What you need to know before starting is the power factor of the network
consisting of the three phase bridge, ripple filter, and the solar inverter.

Once this is known, then a three phase capacitor can be added at the end of the
transmission line from the generator to your local network.

The capacitor will raise the voltage, caused by the reactive voltage drop in the line.

i.e. the power factor will be improved.

In an industrial setting, there are penalties charged for low power factor.

In the past, the utility installed a KVAR demand meter.
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