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Tektronix 284 pulse generator-problems with the fast pulse

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Physikfan
Wed Oct 04 2017, 09:06AM Print
Physikfan Registered Member #60240 Joined: Mon May 16 2016, 07:01PM
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Hello Tektronix friends

After turning on a Tektronix pulse generator 284:
Tek284

and after a slight adjustment of tunneldiode bias (TD bias), a screw drive adjustment on the front panel,
the fast pulse output is about 200 mV amplitude and about 65ps rise time,
Oscilloscope is a 11402 with a Tek 11A72 with 1 GHz bandwidth:
P1190789300x387
Abscissa 5us / div, ordinate 50mV / div

P1190790300x359
Abscissa 1ns / div, ordinate 50mV / div

After some time, a few minutes, the pulse is gone:
P1190792300x384
Abscissa 2us / div, ordinate 50mV / div


And this fast pulse does not come back!

Who knows any advice?

VG

Physikfan
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DerAlbi
Wed Oct 04 2017, 07:29PM
DerAlbi Registered Member #2906 Joined: Sun Jun 06 2010, 02:20AM
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..few minutes...
this is the order of magnitude where thermal effects happen. This can happen due to old caps on a power supply rail, bad heatsink contact (aged thermal compound), bad mechanical contacts (can worsen due to thermal expansion).
Open the thing, observe the rails. Take a heatgun (temperature controlled!!) and point it at parts to see if it speeds up failure then use cold spray to try reversing the effect. Wiggle contacts and so on.
I dont think your tuning has anything to do with this behavior. Its most likely that you just played around for long enough after/while tuning.
If the tuning is however the problem, think about how tuning is done. If some component gets more current, check its sink and source obviously.
Dont loose the screws while disassembly, its enough to loose warranty cheesey
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Physikfan
Fri Oct 06 2017, 03:34PM
Physikfan Registered Member #60240 Joined: Mon May 16 2016, 07:01PM
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Hi DerAlbi

I have found some interesting facts in the instruction manual of Tek 284:

4600x288
This means that mechanical stress at the output socket (GR878) may influence the electrical characteristics
of the tunnel diode.
7a600x437

And with the heating of the device after switching on one must change the tunnel diode bias.
7b600x348
7c600x502

Trigger signal and fast pulse, about 200 mV amplitude and about 65ps Rise time:
P1190802400x323
P1190803400x326

Regards

Physikfan
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Physikfan
Mon Oct 09 2017, 10:38AM
Physikfan Registered Member #60240 Joined: Mon May 16 2016, 07:01PM
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In the mean time I have found an always working Tektronix pulse generator 284:

The fast pulse, shown with a Tektronix 7904, plugin 7A29 for the fast pulse, plugin 7A19 for the trigger signal:

Above the entire fast pulse, below the trigger pulse, x-axis 200 ns / div, y-axis 100mV / div:
DSC09120300x236

Above the fast pulse, below the trigger pulse, x axis 10 ns / div, y axis 100mV / div, 5 ns lead time (lead time)
DSC09129300x242

Above the fast pulse, below the trigger pulse, x-axis 10 ns / div, y-axis 100mV / div, 75 ns lead time
DSC09130300x249

Above the fast pulse, below the trigger pulse, x axis 5 ns / div, y axis 100mV / div, 5 ns lead time
DSC09119300x226

Above the fast pulse, below the trigger pulse, x axis 1 ns / div, y axis 100mV / div, 5 ns lead time
DSC09124300x239

Displayed rise time of the pulse is about 500 ps (Tek 7904).

Regards

Physikfan
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Physikfan
Fri Oct 13 2017, 09:33AM
Physikfan Registered Member #60240 Joined: Mon May 16 2016, 07:01PM
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Now, images of the fast pulses of the working Tektronix pulse generator 284 with an 11403:
11A72 for fast pulse, white, below the trigger pulse, red, x-axis 10 μs / div, y-axis 100 mV / div, 5 ns lead time:

DSC09131300x365

Above the whole fast pulse, white, below the trigger pulse, red, x-axis 200 ns / div, y-axis 50mV / div, 5 ns lead time:
DSC09138300x410

Above the fast pulse, below the trigger pulse, x axis 20 ns / div, y axis 50mV / div, 5 ns lead time
DSC09143300x385

Above the fast pulse, below the trigger pulse, x axis 10 ns / div, y axis 50mV / div, 75 ns lead time
DSC09140300x388

Above the fast pulse, below the trigger pulse, x-axis 1 ns / div, y-axis 50mV / div, 5 ns lead time
DSC09137400x509

Displayed rise time of the pulse with the 11403 less than 300 ps.

Regards

Physikfan

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Physikfan
Sat Oct 14 2017, 10:06PM
Physikfan Registered Member #60240 Joined: Mon May 16 2016, 07:01PM
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An image of the fast pulse of a working Tektronix pulse generator 284 with a Tektronix TDS820 6GHz, 44 ps Rise time:
x axis 50 ps / div, y axis 50 mV / div, 5 ns lead time:

P1190824trim400x330

An image of the fast pulse of a functioning Tektronix pulse generator 284 with a Tek TDS820 6GHz, 44 ps Rise time:
x axis 20 ps / div, y-axis 50mV / div, 5ns lead time:

P1190814trim400x326

The displayed rise time of the pulse with the TDS 820 is less than 100 ps.
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