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25 kV amplifier frequency dependence

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Physikfan
Fri Jul 15 2016, 07:23PM Print
Physikfan Registered Member #60240 Joined: Mon May 16 2016, 07:01PM
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Hi Patrick

Here are first results of measurements of the frequency dependence of a 25 kV high voltage amplifier.
Equipment: TEK 6015A and TEK 7854 with 7A26, y: 5kV/division.

Leybold18kV01Hz400x394

Leybold18kV1Hz400x404

Leybold18kV10Hz400x394

A linear response of the amplifier can be seen only in the first picture at 0,1 Hz.
At 1 Hz and at 10 Hz strong distortions are visible.
Unfortunately this amplifier is very slow.
I would like to get one which is faster by a factor of 10000.

Regards

Physikfan
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Dr. Slack
Fri Jul 15 2016, 07:47PM
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so what's the circuit of the amplifier, or its part number if purchased?
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Patrick
Fri Jul 15 2016, 08:45PM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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so it does look like it distorted in a saw tooth sort of way. but as others have said higher voltage input might be better.
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Physikfan
Sat Jul 16 2016, 02:09PM
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Hi Dr. Slack and Patrick

The 25kV amplifier is the high voltage power supply 522 41 by Leybold.

Regards

Physikfan
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Hazmatt_(The Underdog)
Sat Jul 16 2016, 04:33PM
Hazmatt_(The Underdog) Registered Member #135 Joined: Sat Feb 11 2006, 12:06AM
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I was curious about this myself, so I looked it up. It's a DC supply.

Link2

He's just controlling the 0-5V external control voltage with a sine wave.
Neat little supply though.

If you need a 25KV source at 10KHz or wideband, they can get very expensive. Amp-Line has a standard mosfet amp that is wideband which outputs 28V at high current, and then they have you add an external transformer to change the voltage ratio.
I like their mos amp because it's spec'd from 10Hz to 800KHz. I'm still working on getting rid of the distortion on one of these, off and on, it's a pain.

Everyone else will just suggest making a flyback supply smps.
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Patrick
Sat Jul 16 2016, 06:57PM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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Hazmatt_(The Underdog) wrote ...

Everyone else will just suggest making a flyback supply smps.

Well i think its a square wave that will be most useful, thats what we all use to calibrate our probes off that little frequency generator on oscilloscopes. but dividing 5 volts by 1000 is just to sketchy. Its really got to be 3 kV or so, so youd have to make your own device.
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Hazmatt_(The Underdog)
Sat Jul 16 2016, 10:04PM
Hazmatt_(The Underdog) Registered Member #135 Joined: Sat Feb 11 2006, 12:06AM
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Patrick,

Ideally you want a pure sine wave because it's a single tone. Square waves have infinite harmonics, so that is not useful for finding the frequency response of the probe.

BUT, since we rarely, if ever care about NIST traceability, that is not really important is it.

The loaded secondary side output of a flyback SMPS, into say 100K ohm 100 watt resistor should give you a reasonably pure sine wave at the operating frequency, even if the input drive is a square wave.
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Patrick
Sat Jul 16 2016, 10:35PM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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Hazmatt_(The Underdog) wrote ...

The loaded secondary side output of a flyback SMPS, into say 100K ohm 100 watt resistor should give you a reasonably pure sine wave at the operating frequency, even if the input drive is a square wave.
at what voltage?
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Hazmatt_(The Underdog)
Sun Jul 17 2016, 04:48PM
Hazmatt_(The Underdog) Registered Member #135 Joined: Sat Feb 11 2006, 12:06AM
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okay, fine.

P*R = E^2

E = 3160 VDC, the resistor would be at 100*C, but Ohmite should handle it.

E AC = E DC *1.414 = 4400 VAC, I wouldn't exceed this.

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Patrick
Sun Jul 17 2016, 05:59PM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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ok i see. 3 to 4 kV should be enough for a credible test.
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