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Physikfan
Wed Jul 06 2016, 01:00PM Print
Physikfan Registered Member #60240 Joined: Mon May 16 2016, 07:01PM
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Hi

This Fluke high voltage probe 80k-40 should be used with an ac or dc voltmeter with
an input impedance of 10Mohm.
The probe extends the voltage range up to 40 kV dc and 28 kV rms ac
and has an input impedance of 1 GOhm.
Inside this probe is a 1000:1 voltage divider.

FLUKE80k40 01h P

Accuracy DC:
20 kV to 35 kV: ±1%, 0 kV to <20 kV and >35 kV to 40 kV: ±2%.
Accuracy AC: 60 Hz, ±5%.

Please,
1. who has done high voltage measurements with this and other high voltage probes?
2. what is to say about the performance of such probes?
3. what is the upper frequency limit in the ac range, about 300 Hz?

There is no circuit for a frequency compensation inside the probe.

Regards

Physikfan
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Shrad
Wed Jul 06 2016, 02:37PM
Shrad Registered Member #3215 Joined: Sun Sept 19 2010, 08:42PM
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I have that probe and it is a decent one for DC and 50Hz AC

I strongly doubt you could go beyond 1kHz though...
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Physikfan
Wed Jul 06 2016, 06:24PM
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Hi Shrad

Thank you for your response.
As soon as possible I will check the frequency dependence with a 40V square wave signal of 1 kHz.

These are the Fluke high voltage probe 80K-40 circuit loading and input/output characteristics:

Input Voltage---------------------------Loading Current-------------------------Output Voltage

10V -------------------------------------------10nA--- ---------------------------------- 10mV
100V----------------------------------------- -100nA------------------------------------100mV
1 kV--------------------------------------------- 1uA---------------------------------------1V
10 kV-------------------------------------------10uA- ------------------------------------10V
20 kV-------------------------------------------20uA- ------------------------------------20V
30 kV-------------------------------------------30uA- ------------------------------------30V
40 kV-------------------------------------------40uA- ------------------------------------ 40V

Regards

Physikfan


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Patrick
Wed Jul 06 2016, 07:48PM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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You may want to look at two examples of my work.

My Website GreenBOT Dynamics explains some of this here : Link2 and here : Link2 and here: Link2

As you can see neither page is complete, but they have links that double back to here, the 4HV.org forum where i have dozens of pages on measuring high bandwidth HV. Youll even find examples recently of my flyback 50-70khz measurements at 52 kV, with that big blue probe.

Search my name and projects here on the forum. As i said my website isnt complete so dont get too excited.

and a pic: Link2

I gotta go to work, but ill add more if you just want a DMM solution.
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Physikfan
Wed Jul 06 2016, 09:34PM
Physikfan Registered Member #60240 Joined: Mon May 16 2016, 07:01PM
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Hi Patrick

Thanks for your hints, very interesting stuff.
I would like to have not only a DMM solution but I am searching also a HV probe with a large bandwith of 75 MHz like the Tek P6015A or even more MHz and bigger voltages than 40kV.
But are there limitations due to laws of physics?

Here are pictures of what is inside of this Fluke high voltage probe 80k-40, modern version:

Fluke80k40ok1400x147

Fluke80k40ok2400x392

Regards

Physikfan
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Patrick
Thu Jul 07 2016, 09:12AM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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First, there are no limitations to what your trying in terms of physics. only cost and how far your willing to go.

Second, ive never seen inside one of those types, can you show a close up of that black bit?

Next, yes the Tek ones are the fast solution, just buy one, its much more time intensive to make your own as i did. but mine and the Northstar companies are better than the tek ones. here: Link2

some go to 400 kV, meant for oscilloscopes.

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Physikfan
Thu Jul 07 2016, 09:12AM
Physikfan Registered Member #60240 Joined: Mon May 16 2016, 07:01PM
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Hi Patrick

Please, which part of which picture of my last post you would like to see more in detail?
"can you show a close up of that black bit"

Here are pictures of what is inside of this Fluke high voltage probe 80k-40, old version:

Fluke80k40ok3400x143

Fluke80k40ok4alt400x238 2

Regards

Physikfan
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Patrick
Thu Jul 07 2016, 09:16AM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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Yeah the old one looks like a normal ceramic body ruthenium oxide film resistor. that white flat version ive never seen.

heres another pic:


Now these are meant for 100kV and above, note the "grading rings" those keep the field shape in a desirable state to keep the whole complicated thing happy. I can tell you more about those if you like later. but the tek type are totally different in principle of operation. and the P6013 is totally different than the P6015. both teks are good though. If the P6015 meets your needs and you can afford it buy it. you can always build another one later.

Note: ive learned this, you cant build a perfect probe, but you can build a probe that will do what you need.
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Physikfan
Thu Jul 07 2016, 09:40AM
Physikfan Registered Member #60240 Joined: Mon May 16 2016, 07:01PM
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Hi Patrick

Please, which part of which picture of one of my last posts you would like to see more in detail?
"can you show a close up of that black bit"

Unfortunately I have a broken Fluke high voltage probe 80k-40.

Please, here are the pictures:

Fluke80k40rep3400x105

Fluke80k40rep1400x153

Fluke80k40rep2400x395

Please, could I get some hints how to fix it?

Regards

Physikfan
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Patrick
Thu Jul 07 2016, 09:50AM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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that white flat part, with the black part in the middle, then two notches. ive never seen that before.

in the older version you show that brown cylinder looks like a common HV caddock resistor.

I dont know how to fix them, there just a voltage divider, if that main resistor is killed, i dont know if anything can be done.

Got to go to bed.
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