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Protecting SMPS from spikes.

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Proud Mary
Sat Apr 30 2016, 02:45PM Print
Proud Mary Registered Member #543 Joined: Tue Feb 20 2007, 04:26PM
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I want to protect the output of a 24V 20A SMPS from spikes, surges, fast transients etc coming back down the line from the experiment.

Would a 27V 1500W TVS diode across the ouput generally be considered sufficient, or should I be thinking more of a defence-in-depth strategy, with a parallel combination of TVS diodes, MOVs and gas discharge tubes to maximise protection with a generous amount of redundancy?

Thank you for your thoughts. smile
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hen918
Sat Apr 30 2016, 02:57PM
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If the voltage into your experiment doesn't need to be perfectly constant, I would use a high value inductor on each line with a capacitor between them, on the output, forming a low pass filter. This doesn't rely on active components and is pretty bullet-proof.
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Proud Mary
Sat Apr 30 2016, 08:25PM
Proud Mary Registered Member #543 Joined: Tue Feb 20 2007, 04:26PM
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I thought of something along those lines, Hen, but figured that a 20A common mode choke of more than a few mH would quickly become large and expensive.
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Blackcurrant
Sat Apr 30 2016, 11:12PM
Blackcurrant Registered Member #2989 Joined: Sun Jul 11 2010, 12:01AM
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try a coilcraft CMT4-10-15L 10.0mH 15.0A x2
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Maybe use two free samples :)
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and a very fast TVS




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rikkitikkitavi
Sun May 01 2016, 06:10AM
rikkitikkitavi Registered Member #57278 Joined: Wed Sept 16 2015, 11:33AM
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I have a bunch of 50A 48V server supplies and thought of the same protection need.
Output diode for reverse polarity protection.

L filter on the output, one side should suffice.

Word of advice, be careful about loading the output capacitivly.

Low esr can cause the feedback loop to go unstable. Isolate from ouput wtih L or R.

High capacitance might activate the overcurrent protection, depends on supply.

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Proud Mary
Sun May 01 2016, 10:37AM
Proud Mary Registered Member #543 Joined: Tue Feb 20 2007, 04:26PM
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rikkitikkitavi wrote ...

Word of advice, be careful about loading the output capacitivly.

Low esr can cause the feedback loop to go unstable. Isolate from ouput wtih L or R.

High capacitance might activate the overcurrent protection, depends on supply.

I was wondering about something like that happening - thanks for the advice. :)

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Patrick
Mon May 02 2016, 10:10PM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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I think the TVS will do the most, and several in parallel.

There is also a possibility ive seen before. a powdered metal toroid glued to a ferrite toroid then wound with a single wire will prevent fast energy changes, and block RF. add a capacitor and its pretty well armored.



1462228011 2431 FT1630 Ferrite Powder


Keep the powdered metal one smaller than the ferrite one. As the powdered metal stores some engery. thus increasing the TVS strain when they need to short.

this might be over kill.
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Proud Mary
Thu May 05 2016, 12:32PM
Proud Mary Registered Member #543 Joined: Tue Feb 20 2007, 04:26PM
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That's something I haven't seen before, Patrick. I'll see if I have any cores that might be useful lying about.

In the by and by I've been thinking of designing a foolproof attenuator so I can view the line state on my scope. In the years I've been a member here, I've seen one person after another get their gear zapped by spikes, so I thought that having a real look at back-EMF and other spikes under varying conditions would be a good place to start.
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Patrick
Thu May 05 2016, 04:50PM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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So you'd use my inductor suggestion in the PI filter type circuit. I presume the TVS would do best on the end most cap, and that cap should be the smaller of the two caps.
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