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Hazmatt_(The Underdog)
Sun Apr 03 2016, 06:07AM
Hazmatt_(The Underdog) Registered Member #135 Joined: Sat Feb 11 2006, 12:06AM
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To confirm what PM is saying, I have taken many TV's apart that have the 5 pin 130V regulator that feeds the primary side of the flyback, so they were running the primary in excess of 100V.
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Patrick
Mon Apr 04 2016, 03:45PM
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Hazmatt_(The Underdog) wrote ...

To confirm what PM is saying, I have taken many TV's apart that have the 5 pin 130V regulator that feeds the primary side of the flyback, so they were running the primary in excess of 100V.

That's interesting, we typically run them at much less here on the forum. and it wasn't until I put 50 V in till I got really good results. (into a 65 v winding)
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Proud Mary
Mon Apr 04 2016, 09:43PM
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Patrick wrote ...

Hazmatt_(The Underdog) wrote ...

To confirm what PM is saying, I have taken many TV's apart that have the 5 pin 130V regulator that feeds the primary side of the flyback, so they were running the primary in excess of 100V.

That's interesting, we typically run them at much less here on the forum. and it wasn't until I put 50 V in till I got really good results. (into a 65 v winding)

I'm sure many disappointments, such as feeble operation, could have been avoided if more attention had been paid to matching the LOPT's design parameters. Where an LOPT's windings and core have been designed to operate at the PAL line frequency (15.625 kHz), for example, driving it at a very different frequency may well lead to disappointment.
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Ash Small
Tue Apr 05 2016, 09:14PM
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I'm inclined to agree with PM.

I think there is a lot to be said for using the original primary, or at least a primary wound under the secondary.

I think the enormous amount of ringing when I scoped one was mainly due to poor coupling, due to the primary being on the other leg.

I've not tested this theory myself, but I do have one of Fiddy's flybacks specifically to test this, once I get around to it.
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Proud Mary
Wed Apr 06 2016, 06:01AM
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Not wind primary underneath plenty bad leakage inductance, heap bad medicine.
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Patrick
Wed Apr 06 2016, 03:56PM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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. . . designed to operate at the PAL line frequency (15.625 kHz), . . .

I still cant figure out what the right duration is in uS and I guess it should be 15.625 Hz even if its a high resolution monitor from the early 2000's ?
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Erlend^SE
Wed Apr 06 2016, 04:24PM
Erlend^SE Registered Member #1565 Joined: Wed Jun 25 2008, 09:08PM
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You can multiply number of lines with refresh rate to get a somewhat too low estimate of the frequency. But 50 kHz+ sure.

You will also find a switched capacitor bank to change the working frequency, basically fets and capacitors.

Some crt computer monitors use a separate hv supply running at a almost fixed frequency. If you can remove the supply from one of those, you will have a fixed 25-30 kV source!
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Proud Mary
Wed Apr 06 2016, 05:01PM
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The HR Diemen 'equivalents' are, mainly, what are called 'legacy components' i.e. spares to keep old tellies in bankrupt nations running.

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paris
Fri Apr 08 2016, 01:09AM
paris Registered Member #3042 Joined: Wed Jul 28 2010, 12:36AM
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Hi PM , looking at that diagram , the dot markers are on the same coil start ends .
I thought they were supposed to be out of phase wound ..... or is that for discontinuous mode :0. ?
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Patrick
Fri Apr 08 2016, 02:28AM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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oops. I may be powering it wrong ?
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