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ZakWolf
Fri Feb 19 2016, 06:17AM Print
ZakWolf Registered Member #3114 Joined: Sat Aug 14 2010, 08:33AM
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I CANNOT find anything. I dont know enough about logic ic's to find much of anything, Countless hours spent searching.

Goal:

Need a very stable 4Mhz square wave.

Feed crystal oscillator output into logic ic get square wave out... Does anyone know what chip i would beed to achieve that ? Would i need a buffer before? I plan on feeding the signal source into this Link2 intern to switch a MOSFET
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TwirlyWhirly555
Fri Feb 19 2016, 06:42AM
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Nvm , you found the gate IC .

Should check links before I post : P
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Sulaiman
Fri Feb 19 2016, 07:16AM
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why not use a crystal oscillator?
e.g. Link2
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ZakWolf
Fri Feb 19 2016, 07:39AM
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Sulaiman wrote ...

why not use a crystal oscillator?
e.g. Link2

Thats what I want to do since I need the accuracy the crystal supplies. Maybe I dont fully know what that crystal you linked does... Do I supply a voltage and It generates 4MHz? Doesn't it need to be buffered before going into the gate drive Link2 or at least amplified ?
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Conundrum
Fri Feb 19 2016, 08:30AM
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Use a high frequency sinewave oscillator and frequency multiply it with a nonlinear junction.
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Sulaiman
Fri Feb 19 2016, 09:00AM
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The crystal oscillator that I linked to is a 3.3 v supply version, not a good choice to drive the gate driver ICs
a 5v squarewave output crystal oscillator is more suitable, e.g. Link2
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ZakWolf
Fri Feb 19 2016, 04:03PM
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I was thinking something like this Link2 I read on sights people talking about "Integrated Crystal Oscillator Modules" I cannot find any...

Anyway this is a Voltage Controlled XO. I have no clue how to use this chip though.
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jdub1581hv
Fri Feb 19 2016, 04:15PM
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again we are lloking at the same thing... I have a few 4.0mhz xtals.. but never used before..

Can anyone say how stable this might be?
Oscillator
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klugesmith
Fri Feb 19 2016, 06:11PM
klugesmith Registered Member #2099 Joined: Wed Apr 29 2009, 12:22AM
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jdub's circuit is for using a bare 2-terminal crystal (passive component). Change the crystal to change the frequency.
Sulaiman pointed to some crystal oscillator components, which are easier to use. Connect appropriate power voltage (3.3 or 5 volts) and get a corresponding logic signal out.
In both cases the frequency is fixed. Worst case frequency error of +/- 100 ppm (0.01%) is a pretty loose tolerance for crystal controlled oscillators.

Your 74LS624 is a voltage controlled oscillator chip. VCO, not VCXO. No crystal, and you can tune the frequency over a substantial range. How are you planning to measure the frequency, if you don't have an oscilloscope? You could divide it down into the audible range (e.g. with one CD4040 or CD4060) and listen with headphones or a small loudspeaker. Instrument-tuning apps on smartphones can convert a tone into a number. Or adapt an old auto service dwellmeter/tachometer, which I could send you for cost of postage.

It's time you learned more about logic IC's. Jump on in; they don't bite. Get a plug-in breadboard to play with -- apparently as popular now as they were decades ago. There are other forums to learn at.
Logic signal input/output compatibility can be checked by studying the DC specifications section of the data sheets. Before the Internet, people used to keep things called data books for that purpose. smile
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ZakWolf
Fri Feb 19 2016, 07:07PM
ZakWolf Registered Member #3114 Joined: Sat Aug 14 2010, 08:33AM
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klugesmith wrote ...

jdub's circuit is for using a bare 2-terminal crystal (passive component). Change the crystal to change the frequency.
Sulaiman pointed to some crystal oscillator components, which are easier to use. Connect appropriate power voltage (3.3 or 5 volts) and get a corresponding logic signal out.
In both cases the frequency is fixed. Worst case frequency error of +/- 100 ppm (0.01%) is a pretty loose tolerance for crystal controlled oscillators.

Your 74LS624 is a voltage controlled oscillator chip. VCO, not VCXO. No crystal, and you can tune the frequency over a substantial range. How are you planning to measure the frequency, if you don't have an oscilloscope? You could divide it down into the audible range (e.g. with one CD4040 or CD4060) and listen with headphones or a small loudspeaker. Instrument-tuning apps on smartphones can convert a tone into a number. Or adapt an old auto service dwellmeter/tachometer, which I could send you for cost of postage.

It's time you learned more about logic IC's. Jump on in; they don't bite. Get a plug-in breadboard to play with -- apparently as popular now as they were decades ago. There are other forums to learn at.
Logic signal input/output compatibility can be checked by studying the DC specifications section of the data sheets. Before the Internet, people used to keep things called data books for that purpose. smile


Man this place has really gone down hill and you are a perfect example. Frist of all I do own a scope! secondly, I am over my head and I dont know very much about any of this class e RF amps but thats how you learn new things and this is a place to ask quesions. Im challanging myself and come here for support and this is what I get "Get a plug-in breadboard to play with -- apparently as popular now as they were decades ago. There are other forums to learn at." are you kidding me ?!?!

I have looked at the data sheets for the provided schematics and I have been doing a ton of research but I am by know means an expert.

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