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IamSmooth
Mon Sept 15 2014, 12:19AM Print
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I use positive photoresist and use sodium metasilicate pentahydrate to remove the non-fixed material. Would plain store-bought sodium hydroxide work just as well? I believe I just need a basic solution to remove the unfixed photoresist, right?

Also, to remove the copper I am using ammonium persulfate. Can I use sodium bisulphate, which I can get much cheaper.
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Patrick
Mon Sept 15 2014, 03:03AM
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im trying to remember organic chemistry, but I think the ammonium ion plays a part...
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IamSmooth
Mon Sept 15 2014, 03:07AM
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I've got a bucket of sodium bisulfate. I'm going to try it tomorrow and see what happens.

I have enough for my pool. I can spare some for a small etch tank.
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Steve Conner
Mon Sept 15 2014, 08:26AM
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I always used sodium hydroxide to develop the photoresist and ferric chloride for the etching.
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mikeselectricstuff
Mon Sept 15 2014, 09:36PM
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Silicate based developers are much better then hydroxide - the margin between "develop" and "strip" is very high, If nothing else this means it isn't significantly temperature sensitive.
And made-up solution has indefinite shelf-life.
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IamSmooth
Mon Sept 15 2014, 10:21PM
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mikeselectricstuff wrote ...

Silicate based developers are much better then hydroxide - the margin between "develop" and "strip" is very high, If nothing else this means it isn't significantly temperature sensitive.
And made-up solution has indefinite shelf-life.

I tried 3% hydroxide and it was talking too long. Are there any other alternatives than sodium metasilicate that are just as good?
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2Spoons
Tue Sept 16 2014, 01:39AM
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persulphate and bisulphate are two very different animals. I've found ferric chloride gives a cleaner, faster etch. Only downside is its messy.
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IamSmooth
Tue Sept 16 2014, 02:21AM
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Yes, ammonium persulfate is clean.
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mikeselectricstuff
Tue Sept 16 2014, 08:59AM
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silicate/hydroxide is for developing, not etching!
The nice thing about silicate is you can mix it strong enough to develop as fast as 10 seconds, but not strip after a minute.
Different brands of photoresist can vary greatly in sensitivity & develop time so some experimentation is needed.
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Conundrum
Tue Sept 16 2014, 05:21PM
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I've used persulphate, but it does need gentle heating, agitating and air bubbling to do anything.

Some folks have used 6% peroxide and weak hydrochloric, apparently Parazone drain cleaner works but I ended up using diluted HCl.

Always remember "acid to water, do as you oughta". NOT the other way around unless you want a trip to A&E.

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