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It is often mistakenly assumed that "molecular size" correlates directly with "molecular weight". O2 does have a greater molecular weight (32) than N2 (28), but O2 is actually smaller in size. Thus, O2 fits through the relatively tight passage ways between polymer chains in the rubber more easily than does N2. The difference is size between O2 and N2 is very small, only about 0.3 times 10 to the -10th meters (0.00000000003 meters).
The above text is something I recently read. I am preparing to make a PSA. Why is the O2 molecule smaller than the N2 molecule if its atomic weight is bigger? Is it that the electron shell is still not filled, so we don't have a larger shell surrounding the atom? Does having two more protons cause a slightly tighter attraction with the electrons?
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Chemistry not my area but remember there`s not really a `shell` there, that`s just a way to visualise the eigenstates of the electrons. The `size` of an atom is the extent of its interactions with other atoms and can`t really be derived by using weight alone as it is down to electromagnetic interactions between instantaneously fluctuating dipoles and stuff.
Reading: Van der Waal`s interaction, Van der Waal volume, Van der Waal equation of state and covalent bond length (if you don`t like spherical cows).
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'Size' is a concept that's only really meaningful at large scales, just like trying to figure out what the 'pressure' or 'temperature' of a gas is when you focus down on individual molecules. When you try to nail down what size means, for instance when the coupling between adjacent electron orbitals switches from attractive to repulsive, then you are deep into quantum mechanics. You must start asking questions like 'if I put the particles into this configuration, how do they behave?' If you choose to model that behaviour as a pore size and a molecule size, then the parameters you use in that model must be informed by what the particles actually are observed to do. That a substrate could appear to have smaller pores for a molecule with one set of orbitals than another is perhaps no great surprise.
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It's because there is more protons in oxygen(8) than in nitrogen(7). This larger positive charge of the oxygen attracts the electron cloud and makes it smaller than the nitrogen. Sodium has even more protons but it's larger because of the shielding effect of a complete sub shell + 1 electron.
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Not chemistry, but I have worked in a facility that separated nitrogen from air to make an oxygen pure enough for a bio reactor cleaning water. Te size of the molecule through the membrane (blown with large fans) separates the gases
Essentially two huge motors, controls, instrumentation, computer.
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radiotech wrote ...
Not chemistry, but I have worked in a facility that separated nitrogen from air to make an oxygen pure enough for a bio reactor cleaning water. Te size of the molecule through the membrane (blown with large fans) separates the gases
Essentially two huge motors, controls, instrumentation, computer.
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