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legal ramifications of homemade explosives

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Dr. Slack
Sat May 18 2013, 07:17AM
Dr. Slack Registered Member #72 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 08:29AM
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Different juristictions vary in their laws, so 'is it illegal' can only be answered by RTFLLs (RTF Local Laws). But are you going to get caught? It all really depends on quantities and discretion. If you start blowing things up in the street, then you *will* attract the wrong sort of attention.

My favourite, really easy to make, and it's amusing in very small quantities, is NI3. Sprinkle a few crystals on a hard floor and confuse people as they crackle across it. But don't be a dick and scale it up. And now I'm in my 50's, it's long out of my system.

I used to have a colleague, now sadly departed though not as a result of this activity, who used to make his own pyrotechnics. It was quite unnerving to visit him in the months leading up to November (different regions have different dates for letting off these things), as there would be drying dishes of black powder scattered all over his flat. The top of the gas stove, you know the plate-drying rack on the old type of cooker, directly above the burners, would be fully populated, and usually with a burner or two running on low to provide some warmth. He used to enthuse about the relative merits of making charcoal from this, that or the other feedstock, and reckoned that Dogwood gave charcoal with the most adsorbed hydrocarbons, leading to better volume increase. How he didn't burn the place down always amazed me. Regardless of the fact that he had no intent to cause damage, the process of manufacturing any woosh-bang-nasty has its dangers. It's probably no bad thing that most areas call this illegal, or more people would be doing it.
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Shrad
Wed Jul 03 2013, 07:15AM
Shrad Registered Member #3215 Joined: Sun Sept 19 2010, 08:42PM
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I'm sad for you US guys, seeing that you are worried about buying a blowtorch while I still can burn a log with a pyro mix instead of digging hours, or buy a liter of 33% peroxyde at the pharmacy to etch copper...

glad to be in EU!
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Dri0m
Sat Jul 06 2013, 09:26AM
Dri0m Registered Member #4497 Joined: Thu Apr 19 2012, 12:53PM
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I remember seeing friends setting off thermite and other pyrotechnics in the streets.

FYI thermite is completely legal
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Conundrum
Tue Jul 09 2013, 07:36AM
Conundrum Registered Member #96 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 05:37PM
Location: CI, Earth
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I am not sure, IIRC any chemical combination which burns at 3000+ Celsius and water just makes it hotter is likely to raise a few eyebrows at least.
Also using TM to destroy hard disks probably comes under "destruction of evidence" even if the drives are just random ones from broken PCs.

On the flip side, I did have a chance to examine a carbide lamp, those beasties are interesting.
Wonder if its possible to make a calcium ion battery?
(disclaimer: acetone, flammable chemicals, acetylene, = KABOOM potential * like 50000. DO NOT try this at home)
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jpsmith123
Wed Jul 10 2013, 03:36AM
jpsmith123 Registered Member #1321 Joined: Sat Feb 16 2008, 03:22AM
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Presently you can go into almost any sporting goods store (in the U.S. at least), e.g., Gander Mountain, and buy exploding targets...comprising ammonium nitrate and powdered aluminum.

Because the ingredients are packaged separately (and are not by themselves deemed to be "explosive") it's legal to sell and transport the ingredients that way, and legal to use the end product; up to a certain quantity at least.

Once the two ingredients are mixed, you've got the high explosive "ammonal", which, depending on things like geometry, confinement, particle size, type of detonator, etc., can have a detonation velocity somewhere between 3 and 5 km/s, IIRC.

I think one area where you could run into legal problems is if you store it *after it's mixed*.

(BTW, immediately after the embarrassingly crude "Boston Marathon Bombing" false-flag attack, our Masters indicated they would try to ban everything from exploding targets to reloading powders. Luckily however, so many people realized that the whole thing was a fraud that they may have abandoned the effort to ban everything. Also, they may have run into the problem that any laws that would make exploding targets illegal would also harm to the commercial explosives industry that uses binary explosives mixed on-site).

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