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Thomas W
Tue May 08 2012, 05:21PM Print
Thomas W Registered Member #3324 Joined: Sun Oct 17 2010, 06:57PM
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Hi folks,
ive got these for the diode:
Link2
and these for the SCR:
Link2

my capacitors are 2x 400v 4700uf

are they all sutable to work together and how do i calculate the resistence for the SCR trigger, should i use a PP3 battery

thanks,
Thomas Williamson
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Inducktion
Tue May 08 2012, 06:08PM
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In the datasheet is a value for gate turn on current... I believe it's 100 mA?

Just look under the "triggering" bit of the datasheet.
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Thomas W
Tue May 08 2012, 06:27PM
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yes, but how should i calculate the resistor value so i dont burn it out on 9v?

apparently it should be 75Ohms

R = (V - Vg) / Ig ?
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Forty
Tue May 08 2012, 11:50PM
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Ha! I use those same SCRs and I've mentioned them on here about a dozen times. Mentioned those diodes a couple times but I haven't used them yet myself (my free sample allowance from vishay seems to have expired.) Glad to see someone else trying them both out.

That's exactly how I'd calculate the gate resistor value, so I agree with the 75 ohms.

You're going to need a fairly large coil to get the peak current from even one of those caps down into the range that the scr can handle.

I've had success paralleling the 70tps12. Two ~1.5" lengths of ~1/8" thick by ~5/8" wide bars of copper were slotted across the thickness, near the end, spaced according to the distance between successive scr pins when they're butted together (front to back). The legs of three of the scr's were cut off near the base where they come out. The scr's were zip tied together and the stubs of the anode and cathode were soldered into the slots on the copper bars, with the excess length of the copper protruding from opposite sides. The protruding bit was then drilled so that heavy ring connectors could be bolted on. The gates each had their own resistor to balance out the current, with the other ends of the resistors all being tied together. I suppose a picture would show all of that at once, but I don't have a camera. A better explanation or a picture could probably be given if you're interested.

I've also found (possibly because of how the back emf/quenching works) that these scr's will fail if they are used at the positive side of the capacitor-coil circuit, so put them on the negative/ground side.
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Tetris
Wed May 09 2012, 03:03PM
Tetris Registered Member #4016 Joined: Thu Jul 21 2011, 01:52AM
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What are the specs on it? :D
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Thomas W
Sun May 20 2012, 09:21PM
Thomas W Registered Member #3324 Joined: Sun Oct 17 2010, 06:57PM
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how do you wire one of these SCRs, i tried and blew it, probibly got the wrong pins

im a total noob :(
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Pinkamena
Sun May 20 2012, 11:02PM
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Just follow the data sheet. Check out wikipedias article on them if you want to know how they work. If I'm not mistaken, the anode connects to positive, cathode to ground. When you apply a voltage to the gate, it will turn on. For example like this:
ISafY
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Saz43
Mon May 21 2012, 01:15AM
Saz43 Registered Member #1525 Joined: Mon Jun 09 2008, 12:16AM
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Tom Williamson wrote ...

how do you wire one of these SCRs, i tried and blew it, probibly got the wrong pins

im a total noob :(

I made a whole guide to designing SCR coilguns, I've been meaning to put it on a website but I just can't think of a name. Till then, I hope this will help:

Th SCRcoilgundiagram

Oh and please ignore the equation for the resistor, the one posted previously is correct.
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Thomas W
Mon May 21 2012, 05:36AM
Thomas W Registered Member #3324 Joined: Sun Oct 17 2010, 06:57PM
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im sorry, i didnt make myself clear >.<, i cant work out the pin numberings, ive got 50 different sites telling me different numbers and the datasheet isnt exactly clear x.x
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m4ge123
Mon May 21 2012, 08:16AM
m4ge123 Registered Member #4118 Joined: Mon Oct 03 2011, 04:50PM
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The datasheet is perfectly clear... 1 is the cathode (K), 2 is the anode (A), and 3 is the gate (G).
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