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Removing enamel from litz wire

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Kiwihvguy
Wed Apr 03 2013, 04:16PM
Kiwihvguy Registered Member #3395 Joined: Thu Nov 04 2010, 08:42AM
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Thanks Sulaiman, will give this a try tomorrow and I'l let you know ow it goes.
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testtest
Wed Apr 03 2013, 08:27PM
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The GC line of electronics products used to have something specifically designed for removing wire enamel. Was available at most electronics stores and suppliers in small bottles. Mine must be almost 20 years old by now but still works fine.
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klugesmith
Thu Apr 04 2013, 01:06AM
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I think I have an old bottle of the stuff Rich Normand mentioned. Still worked on magnet wire, the last time I tried it (1 or 2 years ago). Doesn't ordinary methylene chloride-based paint stripper work?

Google and the search key "litz wire stripping" pointed me to (drum roll, please) ... litz_wire.com.
That company has a procedure with videos, etc. Link2
using a 3rd party product called "dip strip". Link2

The stuff contains NaOH, and one is supposed to use it in an electric melting pot.
Melts at about 500° F (260° C), and is ready for dipping at 730°F (388°C).
Sold directly by the maker -- I don't know the minimum order size.

I'm sure that compared to molten solder, molten caustic is harsher on insulation and gentler on fine copper wire.
As with molten solder: keep away from children. Do not touch. Consider the possibilities of unplanned spatter when dressing for the task.

[edit] Here's a video showing the same method done by an amateur, using plain salt and lye together, in a tiny steel pot heated by a propane torch. The insulation on AWG36 wire is gone in a couple seconds, with no agitation. Link2

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2Spoons
Thu Apr 04 2013, 05:51AM
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I can confirm ordinary NaOH, as a saturated solution, works for stripping litz. Dip wire in, then heat with a soldering iron. Repeat dip and heat - I find the insulation sizzles off on the second heating and the wire can be tinned. Be quick with tinning if the wires are very thin - copper dissolves surprisingly quickly in molten solder (lead or lead free).
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Kiwihvguy
Fri Apr 05 2013, 11:42AM
Kiwihvguy Registered Member #3395 Joined: Thu Nov 04 2010, 08:42AM
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Just updating: I bought some drain cleaner powder in a jar and I checked - it definitely has sodium hydroxide in it and the main active ingredient.

I dissolved it into a small amount of water to get a very basic solution. From there I dipped the litz wire in and heated it over a gas burner. It definitely fizzled and the flame turned orange indicating there was a chemical reaction going on.

However, after doing this for a couple of times some whitish-green residue built up on the wire which was annoying to remove and surely the solder did not adhere well to this wire.

Any ideas what's happening and how I get around it?
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2Spoons
Wed Apr 10 2013, 05:18AM
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Too much heat, maybe. I used a soldering iron, not a flame. This also gives the solder a chance to displace the insulation as soon as it starts to break down.
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Kiwihvguy
Fri Apr 12 2013, 04:13AM
Kiwihvguy Registered Member #3395 Joined: Thu Nov 04 2010, 08:42AM
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2Spoons wrote ...

Too much heat, maybe. I used a soldering iron, not a flame. This also gives the solder a chance to displace the insulation as soon as it starts to break down.

Was the soldering iron in direct contact with the wire or was a few mm away?
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2Spoons
Sun Apr 14 2013, 09:59PM
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Direct contact, as if you were trying to tin the wire. A small blob of solder helps with thermal transfer.
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Kiwihvguy
Mon Apr 15 2013, 03:17AM
Kiwihvguy Registered Member #3395 Joined: Thu Nov 04 2010, 08:42AM
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Ok thanks for your help
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