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Patric
Sun Aug 18 2013, 06:51PM Print
Patric Registered Member #2899 Joined: Wed Jun 02 2010, 06:31PM
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Will it work with this tripler:

1376851677 2899 FT0 Mottripler


Are the resistors really necessary?
Must I add something to control the current, or will the capacitors do limit enough?
Thank you for any help!
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Patric
Mon Aug 19 2013, 07:00AM
Patric Registered Member #2899 Joined: Wed Jun 02 2010, 06:31PM
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Sorry, it must be this circuit:

1376895640 2899 FT156565 Mottripler
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Dr. Dark Current
Mon Aug 19 2013, 04:16PM
Dr. Dark Current Registered Member #152 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 03:36PM
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Hi, this is a voltage tripler, so you can use just 3 caps on the output. The resistors are not necessary as the caps contain 10Meg bleeder resistors.
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Patric
Tue Aug 20 2013, 10:13AM
Patric Registered Member #2899 Joined: Wed Jun 02 2010, 06:31PM
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Dr. Dark Current wrote ...

Hi, this is a voltage tripler, so you can use just 3 caps on the output. The resistors are not necessary as the caps contain 10Meg bleeder resistors.

Thank you for the hints!
Is current limiting necessary when using it in a SGTC?
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Feathers
Sun Sept 01 2013, 01:47AM
Feathers Registered Member #10052 Joined: Thu Feb 07 2013, 11:31PM
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Current limiting is necessary with an MOT.

You can use either a resistive or inductive ballast.

For a resistive ballast, its: (line voltage)/(desired current)=(ballast resistance). Then poke around your hardware store for a hot water heater of that resistance, stick it in a bucket of water, and you're ready to go.

This will however burn off tons of power thats doing nothing usefull.

Many use an inductive ballast to increase the impedance of the transformer's primary circuit. It is common to use another MOT as an inductor to do this. Some short the secondary, some remove it alltogether, but the idea is to run the primary in series as an inductor.

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Patric
Sun Sept 01 2013, 08:17AM
Patric Registered Member #2899 Joined: Wed Jun 02 2010, 06:31PM
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Thank you!
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redruM69
Wed Sept 11 2013, 02:57AM
redruM69 Registered Member #31557 Joined: Tue Aug 06 2013, 02:38AM
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HighVoltageFeathers wrote ...

Current limiting is necessary with an MOT.

You can use either a resistive or inductive ballast.

For a resistive ballast, its: (line voltage)/(desired current)=(ballast resistance). Then poke around your hardware store for a hot water heater of that resistance, stick it in a bucket of water, and you're ready to go.

This will however burn off tons of power thats doing nothing usefull.

Many use an inductive ballast to increase the impedance of the transformer's primary circuit. It is common to use another MOT as an inductor to do this. Some short the secondary, some remove it alltogether, but the idea is to run the primary in series as an inductor.


I beg to differ. A well tuned MOT powered SGTC does not require ballast. MOT's do have shunts in them to limit current when shorted, albeit not for an extended time. I'm running dual MOT's unballasted, no tripler, no filter. The transformers only get warm to the touch after several minutes of run time:

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Patric
Wed Sept 11 2013, 07:48AM
Patric Registered Member #2899 Joined: Wed Jun 02 2010, 06:31PM
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That is fantastic! How do you make your spark gap? It must be very small, with only two MOTs.
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redruM69
Thu Sept 12 2013, 03:06AM
redruM69 Registered Member #31557 Joined: Tue Aug 06 2013, 02:38AM
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Patric wrote ...

That is fantastic! How do you make your spark gap? It must be very small, with only two MOTs.

Its an asynch rotary. Gap size is about 2mm (x2 for each side).
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Patric
Thu Nov 21 2013, 08:02PM
Patric Registered Member #2899 Joined: Wed Jun 02 2010, 06:31PM
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Thank you very much, it is all clear now for me! The capacitor is the only thing that bothers me. What value is optimal? I think 10 to 20nF is enough for me. I have several choices:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/200844654385
http://www.ebay.com/itm/190931420792
http://www.ebay.com/itm/190855218801
http://www.ebay.com/itm/200963004770
Can you please help me once more? I will use two MOT's with AC.
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