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Removing MOT shunts, what are the pros and cons ?

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PhilGood
Mon Jul 23 2012, 05:36AM
PhilGood Registered Member #3806 Joined: Sat Apr 02 2011, 09:20PM
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What are the pros and cons of removing shunts from a MOT that will be used to power a VTTC ?

I guess this question as already been answered here, but I couldn't find the answer.

Searching the web, half people say to leave the shunts, other half say to remove them.

Some say MOTs will run cooler without shunts.

I guess it also depends on what you are using your MOT for.

So my question applies to one MOT intended for VTTC powering with full wave rectification of MOT's output.
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Dr. Slack
Mon Jul 23 2012, 07:01AM
Dr. Slack Registered Member #72 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 08:29AM
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PhilGood wrote ...

I guess it also depends on what you are using your MOT for.

Sort of. More strictly it depends how you are going to use your MOT.

If you are going to use it to drive a voltage doubler using the same size caps as were used in the original MO, then leave the shunts in to tune out the doubler cap series impedance which gets you a stiffer supply.

If you are going to simply full wave rectify the output and use it unsmoothed, then taking them out will give you a stiffer supply.

If that full wave rectifier is going to feed a large smoothing cap, so causing the rectifier diodes to take very pulsy current, then you will improve the supply power factor, and reduce the rectifier dissipation, by leaving the shunts in.
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PhilGood
Mon Jul 23 2012, 08:23AM
PhilGood Registered Member #3806 Joined: Sat Apr 02 2011, 09:20PM
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Thanks Dr Slack for your detailed answer :)

I'm going to full wave rectify my MOT output, and then have a low value (around 5µF - 5x MO caps) smoothing cap.

So I'm somewhere between the two situations ? Maybe closer to the second one (leave the shunts in), right ?
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Dr. Dark Current
Mon Jul 23 2012, 10:49AM
Dr. Dark Current Registered Member #152 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 03:36PM
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Another alternative is to leave the shunts in, put 1 MO cap in series with the transformer and then the full wave bridge and smoothing caps. This way the shunts will still resonate with the series cap and you will get good power factor and a pretty low impedance supply.
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M.A.D.
Sat Jul 28 2012, 11:17AM
M.A.D. Registered Member #4052 Joined: Thu Aug 11 2011, 04:43AM
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It may help you to decide if you understand exactly how difficult it is to remove the shunts. I think if I ever have need to do it again, I will start with cutting the core in half and just weld it back together later. Simply because it is almost impossible to drive them out without damaging the windings.

So, in conclusion: Pros- a lot more power
Cons- it sucks!
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PhilGood
Mon Jul 30 2012, 12:49PM
PhilGood Registered Member #3806 Joined: Sat Apr 02 2011, 09:20PM
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I must be rather lucky, because shunts are quite easy to remove and put pack in place on these MOT's, without damaging anything smile
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Harry
Mon Jul 30 2012, 01:19PM
Harry Registered Member #4081 Joined: Wed Aug 31 2011, 06:40PM
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I removed the shunts on mine, got some very hot arcs!
Then it burst into flames.
So you'll get more current with more heating of the core. I guess just try it with and without the shunts if they're easy to remove.
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PhilGood
Mon Jul 30 2012, 06:15PM
PhilGood Registered Member #3806 Joined: Sat Apr 02 2011, 09:20PM
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Oh, I forgot to say... I might use two of these mots Link2 with primaries in series, so they will run at half their voltage.

I guess in such condition I'd better remove shunts to compensate for power loss
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