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Ken M.
Thu Oct 28 2010, 06:16PM Print
Ken M. Registered Member #618 Joined: Sat Mar 31 2007, 04:15AM
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Trying to layout a H-bridge PCB for SSTC/DRSSTC using to-247 Igbts, and an old CPU Heat sink, I have most of it set up but I'm having some concerns on trace to trace spacing especially if this was used for DRSSTC since there are higher currents and higher voltages present on the primary then with just a SSTC.

This would be used on smaller coils in the 2in-4in range, I was trying to find how close others had traces, but most are using the mini blocs (don't blame you) or are using bricks for bigger coils.

For reference the H-bridge layout:

Bridge
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Luca
Thu Oct 28 2010, 07:56PM
Luca Registered Member #2481 Joined: Mon Nov 23 2009, 03:07PM
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A DRSSTC has higher currents but NOT higher voltages than a SSTC on the bridge. Voltage on the components/traces of the bridge is just the DC on the bus (+ spikes...)

Regards

Luca
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Corey
Thu Oct 28 2010, 08:27PM
Corey Registered Member #1902 Joined: Fri Jan 02 2009, 07:59PM
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With the appropriate TVS diodes and snubber caps you should be okay. Another trick I would recommend if the traces are exposed copper you should lay a bead of solder to reduce resistance. Good luck!

-Corey
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HV Enthusiast
Thu Oct 28 2010, 09:49PM
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IPC-2221A defines PCB design all-around.
Search GOOGLE for the document - you might find it PDF.

However, for bareboard external traces, you should use the following spacing rules:

251-300V (1.25mm)
301-500V (2.5mm)
>500V = (2.5mm + ((MaxVoltage-500)*0.005mm))

So if your max voltage was 800V.
Minimum spacing would be 2.5mm + ((800-500)*0.005mm)

This is for your standard external PCB layer on FR-4.

Dan
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Ken M.
Thu Oct 28 2010, 11:31PM
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Thank you all for the tips and info, and thank you EVR for the definitive resource.
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HV Enthusiast
Fri Oct 29 2010, 12:00AM
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Corey wrote ...

With the appropriate TVS diodes and snubber caps you should be okay. Another trick I would recommend if the traces are exposed copper you should lay a bead of solder to reduce resistance. Good luck!

-Corey

Laying a bead of solder should have no effect whatsoever on the breakdown voltage between two adjacent traces, if thats indeed what your statement was pertaining to.

Also, important to mention that the IPC standard spacing guidelines i mentioned above are just that guidelines, and are quite conservative (derating built in). They account for both external arcing through air (the one equation i referenced was air at sea level), and creep across the surface of the board. It also assumes no conformal coating on bare copper traces or soldermask, so its a worst case.
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Ken M.
Fri Oct 29 2010, 12:14AM
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I noticed that EVR, and so I was trying to research possible coatings, with out getting some fancy stuff I was thinking of using colored polyurethane, to add a dieelctric strength and a touch of the professional look, but I can't find much info on heat tolerences for soldering purposes.
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Corey
Fri Oct 29 2010, 04:50AM
Corey Registered Member #1902 Joined: Fri Jan 02 2009, 07:59PM
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EastVoltResearch wrote ...

Corey wrote ...

With the appropriate TVS diodes and snubber caps you should be okay. Another trick I would recommend if the traces are exposed copper you should lay a bead of solder to reduce resistance. Good luck!

-Corey

Laying a bead of solder should have no effect whatsoever on the breakdown voltage between two adjacent traces, if thats indeed what your statement was pertaining to.

Also, important to mention that the IPC standard spacing guidelines i mentioned above are just that guidelines, and are quite conservative (derating built in). They account for both external arcing through air (the one equation i referenced was air at sea level), and creep across the surface of the board. It also assumes no conformal coating on bare copper traces or soldermask, so its a worst case.


I was pertaining to the current levels experienced during drsstc primary ring up. I've used this technique to beef up leads on Mazilli driver boards to reduce resistive losses.

-Corey
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Nicko
Fri Oct 29 2010, 08:55AM
Nicko Registered Member #1334 Joined: Tue Feb 19 2008, 04:37PM
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You might find a calculator I wrote a few years back helpful on this - it implements the IPC 2221A rules in JavaScript - see Link2 - over 5000 hits a month at the moment... There is an implementation of the UL rule on track separation included.

Cheers

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Ken M.
Fri Oct 29 2010, 04:10PM
Ken M. Registered Member #618 Joined: Sat Mar 31 2007, 04:15AM
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Awesome thanks Nick for the link to the calculator.
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