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The Best Resonant Frequency?

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radioman
Mon Oct 11 2010, 01:44PM Print
radioman Registered Member #3026 Joined: Fri Jul 23 2010, 02:46PM
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Gentlemen;

Are there any advantages/disadvantages to choosing a higher or lower resonant frequency for a tesla secondary? I simply wound 900 feet of #28 on a three and a half inch PVC, 18 inches long (no calculations used) and the resonant frequency turns out to measure 248KC. My coil works fine, but should I have aimed for a higher frequency? I’m still learning on my first coil. Great site, thank you, all!
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Mads Barnkob
Mon Oct 11 2010, 03:30PM
Mads Barnkob Registered Member #1403 Joined: Tue Mar 18 2008, 06:05PM
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radioman wrote ...

Gentlemen;

Are there any advantages/disadvantages to choosing a higher or lower resonant frequency for a tesla secondary? I simply wound 900 feet of #28 on a three and a half inch PVC, 18 inches long (no calculations used) and the resonant frequency turns out to measure 248KC. My coil works fine, but should I have aimed for a higher frequency? I’m still learning on my first coil. Great site, thank you, all!

This question is impossible to answer when you give us very little information to work with, we need to know every little detail about your tesla coil in order to answer the question fulfilled.
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Linas
Mon Oct 11 2010, 03:45PM
Linas Registered Member #1143 Joined: Sun Nov 25 2007, 04:55PM
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i bet that the best resonance frequency would be 60Hz for USA and 50Hz for Europe :D
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Adam Munich
Mon Oct 11 2010, 05:19PM
Adam Munich Registered Member #2893 Joined: Tue Jun 01 2010, 09:25PM
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Linas wrote ...

i bet that the best resonance frequency would be 60Hz for USA and 50Hz for Europe :D

That would be quite a large coil my friend.
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HV Enthusiast
Mon Oct 11 2010, 05:49PM
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Aim for the lowest fres you can. This will keep switching losses at a minimum in your switching circuits.
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ScotchTapeLord
Mon Oct 11 2010, 06:17PM
ScotchTapeLord Registered Member #1875 Joined: Sun Dec 21 2008, 06:36PM
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Even for a spark gap tesla coil, lower resonant frequency is easier on the capacitors. It doesn't matter so much, though.
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803
Mon Oct 11 2010, 06:37PM
803 Registered Member #2807 Joined: Fri Apr 16 2010, 08:10PM
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but a low fres has a low q.


hm....
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Steve Conner
Tue Oct 12 2010, 10:29AM
Steve Conner Registered Member #30 Joined: Fri Feb 03 2006, 10:52AM
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What's the best car? tongue

I've built coils ranging from 66kHz to 260kHz.
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Dr. Drone
Tue Oct 12 2010, 03:25PM
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shades
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Sulaiman
Tue Oct 12 2010, 06:19PM
Sulaiman Registered Member #162 Joined: Mon Feb 13 2006, 10:25AM
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A few random thoughts;

For a typical entry-level spark gap TC using an NST (or OBIT etc.) the primary capacitance is pretty much fixed so as Fres increases the primary current increases, proportionately increasing primary losses/stress/noise.
(capacitor, inductor and most importantly spark gap)

For a given secondary winding height and diameter,
reducing Fres requires thinner wire, increasing losses.
I don't think that secondary loss is as important as primary loss
as the secondary rarely gets hot, compared to the primary components.

The 'Q' of the secondary is not important as once the fun begins the 'Q' drops dramatically.

Lightning is not 7 Hz, the Schumann resonance of the Earth's atmosphere is.
Slow-motion lightning videos Link2 (especially the 4th one across)
Schumann Resonance Link2

I believe that the lower the Fres the longer the sparks
(for a given NST/primay cap etc.)
but the benefit is lost when the TC becomes much larger than the arcs/sparks
(12" sparks from a 12" coil is visually more impressive than 15" sparks from a 24" coil)
I also think that the quality of the primary components has more influence on 'performance' than Fres, so spend your effort on reducing primary losses and tuning, don't worry too much about the actual Fres.

You can vary the secondary topload capacitance/size to see for yourself what happens with various Fres.

* Fres = Resonant Frequency

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