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teravolt
Wed Oct 06 2010, 03:05AM
teravolt Registered Member #195 Joined: Fri Feb 17 2006, 08:27PM
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is there a diode in series with that cap. have you mesured it for dc
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Dr. Dark Current
Wed Oct 06 2010, 07:33PM
Dr. Dark Current Registered Member #152 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 03:36PM
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HM_Murdock wrote ...

I hooked it up in reverse, with 122.1VAC on the input, I show 1.067VAC on the HV output wires...
on the HV output wires? You must connect the HV output wires to 120V and measure the voltage on the primary...
Maybe it was just a typo, in which case there might be some problem with your measurement, or maybe there really is a diode on the output...
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HM_Murdock
Wed Oct 06 2010, 07:49PM
HM_Murdock Registered Member #3075 Joined: Fri Aug 06 2010, 02:44PM
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Opps...good catch...typo on my part.

That should have read "I hooked it up in reverse, and with 122.1VAC on the HV output wires, I show 1.067VAC on the input"

I triple checked my readings after my first calculation, as it seemed way too high.
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Arcstarter
Wed Oct 06 2010, 08:26PM
Arcstarter Registered Member #1225 Joined: Sat Jan 12 2008, 01:24AM
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I have had a few of these. I made some modifications to the transformer before i made measurements. I took out that capacitor, as it would render it useless for most projects. I also ground the shunts way down (the bit of metal in the middle of the core between primary and secondary).

When you take out the capacitor and draw arcs, they are purple like a flyback transformer with a single transistor driver, and could not really be drawn. After the modification, the arc looked more like a typical NST or MOT arc, though scaled way down.

In the end, i got 2.5kv and around 10ma. In my opinion, that is idealistic for a tiny SGTC smile. I have even used a capacitor for series resonance with the secondary which was actually pretty impressive. I got 6 inch sparks with a crappy Tesla coil setup, and a sync rotary gap with a modified MO fan motor.
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quicksilver
Thu Oct 07 2010, 04:26PM
quicksilver Registered Member #1408 Joined: Fri Mar 21 2008, 03:49PM
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What you need is a High Voltage probe. Here is a fairly workable design to make a HV probe and all you really would need to spend is about $2 on resistors and a cheap DMM (you can find them as low as $6)

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Steve Conner
Fri Oct 08 2010, 12:07PM
Steve Conner Registered Member #30 Joined: Fri Feb 03 2006, 10:52AM
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You could try making a Tesla coil using the onboard capacitor. Then once the capacitor burns out from that abuse, you can remove it.

As I'm sure some pedant will point out, this puts the tank capacitor across the transformer primary, which isn't the best for transformer life. The high frequency oscillations from the tank circuit feed into the transformer and could fry it. But hey, it was free. And how much worse are the TC oscillations than bug zapping transients anyway? smile
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HM_Murdock
Fri Oct 08 2010, 12:24PM
HM_Murdock Registered Member #3075 Joined: Fri Aug 06 2010, 02:44PM
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Great info..thanks guys!

That cap would be a pain to get out...hard to tell in the pics, but its encased in the epoxy surrounding the secondary...

And yeah, I was thinking in its native use, that thing would see a good bit of punishment. I am nearing completion on my tabletop coil (for my 5kV NST), and my next project will likely use this Xfmr to make a micro coil.
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