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Dr. Dark Current
Tue Oct 05 2010, 03:51PM
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Run the transformer in reverse, and calulate the ratio from that.
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Proud Mary
Tue Oct 05 2010, 04:20PM
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How's this for irrelevancy? Your transformer arrived in the port of New York on January 28 2006 in one of two shipping containers:


1286295455 543 FT0 Bill Of Lading


And this is the ship which carried your transformer from Vietnam to New York:


1286296080 543 FT0 Lloyd Triestino
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HM_Murdock
Tue Oct 05 2010, 05:07PM
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Dr. Kilovolt wrote ...

Run the transformer in reverse, and calulate the ratio from that.

To "run it in reverse", I should hook up the HV output wires to the 120VAC power cord, then measure the output on the input wires of the transformer?. I assume this would have the opposite effect of normal and step down the voltage to a certain amount on the input side. I suppose once I get that number, I can determine by what factor it was reduced, and simply apply that factor to the input V to see what the output should be?

And PM, that is just too funny...


Thanks to all for the help so far!
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Dr. Dark Current
Tue Oct 05 2010, 05:29PM
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HM_Murdock, yes thats what I meant, connect the secondary to 120VAC and measure the voltage on the primary. Then the step-up ratio is 120V divided by the voltage you measured on the primary.
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Proud Mary
Tue Oct 05 2010, 05:52PM
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I Googled "Fly Killer Transformer Voltage" and found that the majority of consumer fly killers have 3500V, 3750V, or 4000V on the grid, but that industrial fly killers went up to '5600V peak.'

Below is a picture of the guts of the Flowtron FC Zapper. The transformer has a similar looking colour scheme to yours. The replacement transformer is the same whichever Flowtron zapper model you buy. All have a 5600V Killing Grid Voltage.


1286300935 543 FT0 Fly Killer


I expect they are waiting for another ship to arrive from far distant lands! smile

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Adam Munich
Tue Oct 05 2010, 08:26PM
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Alright then, I stand corrected. My steel marbles did have some rust, so that may have been what thrown me off.

What do you plan on doing with this x-former?
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HM_Murdock
Tue Oct 05 2010, 08:32PM
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I don't rightly know yet...was just pleased to have found it in the top of a dead zapper. Makes a nice, bright arc too...

Maybe a teeny tiny SGTC?
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Adam Munich
Tue Oct 05 2010, 08:40PM
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I would like to see that. Get some 40AWG wire, a toilet paper tube etc.
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HM_Murdock
Tue Oct 05 2010, 10:37PM
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Well...not sure what to make if these results.

I hooked it up in reverse, with 122.1VAC on the input, I show 1.067VAC on the HV output wires...

I assume the output can't be straight reversed in ratio, otherwise 120V in on the LV side would equal around 14kV output on the HV side?
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ScotchTapeLord
Wed Oct 06 2010, 12:24AM
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That would be the ideal transformer case. It's possible that in the reverse configuration that the relatively low mains voltage is being ballasted by the secondary's (or in this reverse case, the primary) resistance and/or inductance. The voltage drop across these impedances would mean less voltage across the coupled inductance and getting to your multimeter. I'm not sure about this but it's also possible that the current going through isn't fully magnetizing the core?

Any shunts also add to the non-ideal losses.
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