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Carbon_Rod

Fri Feb 25 2011, 08:47AM

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Patrick wrote ...

Obama's communist health care, or CommuCare is/will be a disaster.

For whom?

Much of the 1950's foreign policy Bush helped pass lead to a polarization of political views and mainstream cowing of opposing points of view. However, defending the current erosion of your children's freedom with Nixon's public health care option is hypocritical.

This is a controversial topic as it challenges the perceived core of social morality held in many parts of North America. It is often difficult for these same people to comprehend why some lunatic powered by CNN propaganda kills a bunch of people, as many would simply argue a jail / police officer should have prevented these events...

But it didn't... and the number of inmates with psychological problems in US jails still grows.

You are probably having difficulty getting past the "anger" stage of acceptance, and will likely come up with some creative argument why there is a winning side to this issue - but one would have to be crazy if they thought winning was more important than their neighbors lives.

It is easier to assign blame than to try to improve peoples lives, and no doubt people will try to continue to cow any opinion that challenges their delusions.

Obama is another issue all together, as my respect for the man fell when he failed to strike down the sleazy patriot-act. Whatever your opinion, everyone already knows he will not win another election, and blaming Bush when he is no longer in power is pointless.

Having worked for the government I must say your assertion is quite unwarranted. Of the thousand or so people I personally met, only the ticket officers and 1 administrative clerk were douches. You may be surprised to know that 99.98% of the people who work there are people who genuinely improve the place you live every day. Firemen have to be the nicest people I have ever met, and they have to deal with more crushed bodies than most service men.

I get to hear hundreds of times a day what life is like as an old man in the USA - its your kids/wife making sure you don't forget to take your medication - that's if you can still hold a conversion.
...Just like communist China.

Steve Conner

Fri Feb 25 2011, 09:52AM

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Carbon_Rod wrote ...

but one would have to be crazy if they thought winning was more important than their neighbors lives.

That's what war is. You kill your neighbours in order to win. Or to keep oil prices down etc.

American healthcare makes 1984 look like 1955. I heard a story (admittedly, unverified, but I thought I'd tell it anyway) about someone who was bedridden with a staph infection (which they picked up in hospital) and required an expensive antibiotic. They were hooked up, at home, to a drug delivery pump controlled by modem, which would only be turned on every day on receipt by Fedex of a check for $780. If the pump failed to deliver its dose due to a bad phone line, that would be another $780 for a repeat attempt.

It really makes War-On-Terror-style attempts by politicians to cash in on the public's primal fears look pretty amateurish. Give us $780 or we kill your significant other. By remote control, because we're extorting so much money so easily that it isn't worth our while sending an actual human round to do it. That one tale sums up everything I hate about people, economics, and technology. Gah. Rant over.

Patrick

Fri Feb 25 2011, 04:21PM

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If Obama care is so good for all, why are more then 700 waviers of no-compliance being offered Carbon rod? are we Americans ruled by reason and law, or by men? if its good for all then why are all his biggest supporters and contributors legally off the hook for compliance?

Does the rule of law apply equally to all, or just selectivley to some and not others?

Proud Mary

Fri Feb 25 2011, 05:16PM

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Steve McConner wrote ...

It really makes War-On-Terror-style attempts by politicians to cash in on the public's primal fears look pretty amateurish. Give us $780 or we kill your significant other. By remote control, because we're extorting so much money so easily that it isn't worth our while sending an actual human round to do it. That one tale sums up everything I hate about people, economics, and technology. Gah. Rant over.

Yes, if we have the means and the opportunity to relieve the suffering of others, but will not do so without monetary payment, then such payments should be understood as criminal extortion.

It is no accident that Che Guevara - who Jean-Paul Sartre described as "not only an intellectual but also the most complete human being of our age" - was a doctor of medicine, a man who Nelson Mandela called "an inspiration for every human being who loves freedom." When the cause of sickness and human distress is identified as poverty, then the good doctor must help to overthrow the regime which has created the poverty and oppression threatening the well-being of her patients, an idea embodied in the so-called 'right of revolution' in the United States Declaration of Independence of 1776.

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights,[bt] that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

How quaint and distant those noble ideals sound in the corporate world of today.

Conundrum

Fri Feb 25 2011, 06:37PM

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That reference to the $780 noisy phone line sounds completely ridiculous, surely they would at least include a verification code which could be sent via another channel (i.e. secure wifi VPN)...
Sounds like a license to print money to me.
If you ask my opinion these drug resistant bugs were probably the direct result of overprescribing antibiotics off label for "trivial" infections because of the $Extra$ $Incentive$$$ to the doctors who used Expensive$$$Antibiotic instead of a cheaper noname brand. Money talks it seems.

Talking about insane laws, the latest one is to "ban" incandescents in favour of expensive polluting CFLs which require a Hazmat team to clean up. And woe betide anyone who uses a dustpan and brush with all the no win no fee ambulance chasing lawyers, it would probably bankrupt small businesses if they cheap out on the expen$ive "certified" cleanup.

-A
BTW I recycle my CFLs where possible, often the PCB is fried but the bulb isn't, one salvaged scanner inverter later and voila, instant "free" light!

Patrick

Fri Feb 25 2011, 08:00PM

Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
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Conundrum wrote ...

Talking about insane laws, the latest one is to "ban" incandescents in favour of expensive polluting CFLs which require a Hazmat team to clean up. And woe betide anyone who uses a dustpan and brush with all the no win no fee ambulance chasing lawyers, it would probably bankrupt small businesses if they cheap out on the expen$ive "certified" cleanup.

I Agree. The trial lawyers are lining up. General Electric is pulling far greater scams against the American people though.

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