Welcome
Username or Email:

Password:


Missing Code




[ ]
[ ]
Online
  • Guests: 31
  • Members: 0
  • Newest Member: omjtest
  • Most ever online: 396
    Guests: 396, Members: 0 on 12 Jan : 12:51
Members Birthdays:
No birthdays today

Next birthdays
07/09 Avi (41)
07/09 Jannick Hagen (15)
07/10 Sparcz (69)
Contact
If you need assistance, please send an email to forum at 4hv dot org. To ensure your email is not marked as spam, please include the phrase "4hv help" in the subject line. You can also find assistance via IRC, at irc.shadowworld.net, room #hvcomm.
Support 4hv.org!
Donate:
4hv.org is hosted on a dedicated server. Unfortunately, this server costs and we rely on the help of site members to keep 4hv.org running. Please consider donating. We will place your name on the thanks list and you'll be helping to keep 4hv.org alive and free for everyone. Members whose names appear in red bold have donated recently. Green bold denotes those who have recently donated to keep the server carbon neutral.


Special Thanks To:
  • Aaron Holmes
  • Aaron Wheeler
  • Adam Horden
  • Alan Scrimgeour
  • Andre
  • Andrew Haynes
  • Anonymous000
  • asabase
  • Austin Weil
  • barney
  • Barry
  • Bert Hickman
  • Bill Kukowski
  • Blitzorn
  • Brandon Paradelas
  • Bruce Bowling
  • BubeeMike
  • Byong Park
  • Cesiumsponge
  • Chris F.
  • Chris Hooper
  • Corey Worthington
  • Derek Woodroffe
  • Dalus
  • Dan Strother
  • Daniel Davis
  • Daniel Uhrenholt
  • datasheetarchive
  • Dave Billington
  • Dave Marshall
  • David F.
  • Dennis Rogers
  • drelectrix
  • Dr. John Gudenas
  • Dr. Spark
  • E.TexasTesla
  • eastvoltresearch
  • Eirik Taylor
  • Erik Dyakov
  • Erlend^SE
  • Finn Hammer
  • Firebug24k
  • GalliumMan
  • Gary Peterson
  • George Slade
  • GhostNull
  • Gordon Mcknight
  • Graham Armitage
  • Grant
  • GreySoul
  • Henry H
  • IamSmooth
  • In memory of Leo Powning
  • Jacob Cash
  • James Howells
  • James Pawson
  • Jeff Greenfield
  • Jeff Thomas
  • Jesse Frost
  • Jim Mitchell
  • jlr134
  • Joe Mastroianni
  • John Forcina
  • John Oberg
  • John Willcutt
  • Jon Newcomb
  • klugesmith
  • Leslie Wright
  • Lutz Hoffman
  • Mads Barnkob
  • Martin King
  • Mats Karlsson
  • Matt Gibson
  • Matthew Guidry
  • mbd
  • Michael D'Angelo
  • Mikkel
  • mileswaldron
  • mister_rf
  • Neil Foster
  • Nick de Smith
  • Nick Soroka
  • nicklenorp
  • Nik
  • Norman Stanley
  • Patrick Coleman
  • Paul Brodie
  • Paul Jordan
  • Paul Montgomery
  • Ped
  • Peter Krogen
  • Peter Terren
  • PhilGood
  • Richard Feldman
  • Robert Bush
  • Royce Bailey
  • Scott Fusare
  • Scott Newman
  • smiffy
  • Stella
  • Steven Busic
  • Steve Conner
  • Steve Jones
  • Steve Ward
  • Sulaiman
  • Thomas Coyle
  • Thomas A. Wallace
  • Thomas W
  • Timo
  • Torch
  • Ulf Jonsson
  • vasil
  • Vaxian
  • vladi mazzilli
  • wastehl
  • Weston
  • William Kim
  • William N.
  • William Stehl
  • Wesley Venis
The aforementioned have contributed financially to the continuing triumph of 4hv.org. They are deserving of my most heartfelt thanks.
Forums
4hv.org :: Forums :: High Voltage
« Previous topic | Next topic »   

Seperate circuits

1 2 3 4 
Move Thread LAN_403
Adam Munich
Tue Aug 31 2010, 04:48AM Print
Adam Munich Registered Member #2893 Joined: Tue Jun 01 2010, 09:25PM
Location: Cali-forn. i. a.
Posts: 2242
Putting two MOT primaries in parallel on one 120V 15A outlet is certainly not an option, so I was wondering about hooking each one up to a different circuit via an extension cord. Are there any concerns (aside from crossing hot wires!) I must worry about? I can't think of any ATM. (the secondaries are going to go in series BTW)
Back to top
dmg
Tue Aug 31 2010, 04:54AM
dmg Registered Member #2628 Joined: Fri Jan 15 2010, 12:23AM
Location:
Posts: 627
I dont see why you shouldnt be able to do this, some household wiering (maybe in kitchens?)
have 2 hots, with a common nuetral, but each one is from a seperate 15A breaker,
perhaps you can these type of sources, and wire a mot to each socket in the outlet.
Back to top
Patrick
Tue Aug 31 2010, 05:00AM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
Location: Chico, CA. USA
Posts: 5639
Gatedbreakdown wrote ...

I dont see why you shouldnt be able to do this, some household wiering (maybe in kitchens?)
have 2 hots, with a common nuetral, but each one is from a seperate 15A breaker,
perhaps you can these type of sources, and wire a mot to each socket in the outlet.

i second GatedBreakdown's point use a 240vac line.
Back to top
Adam Munich
Tue Aug 31 2010, 05:08AM
Adam Munich Registered Member #2893 Joined: Tue Jun 01 2010, 09:25PM
Location: Cali-forn. i. a.
Posts: 2242
I don't have a 240VAC line installed, and my kitchen only has 1 hot. The other one went dead when a nail severed a wire when we re-sided our house.

If each primary is plugged into a separate outlet in separate circuit, I don't see any problems that could result...
Back to top
Patrick
Tue Aug 31 2010, 05:21AM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
Location: Chico, CA. USA
Posts: 5639
Grenadier wrote ...

I don't have a 240VAC line installed, and my kitchen only has 1 hot. The other one went dead when a nail severed a wire when we re-sided our house.

If each primary is plugged into a separate outlet in separate circuit, I don't see any problems that could result...
perfect nail...lol!

any way youll have to find two different lines with your desired phasing, it is possible. watch your phasing dots.
Back to top
Adam Munich
Tue Aug 31 2010, 05:24AM
Adam Munich Registered Member #2893 Joined: Tue Jun 01 2010, 09:25PM
Location: Cali-forn. i. a.
Posts: 2242
I've never seen an MOT with phasing dots. At least none of mine have any.
Back to top
Patrick
Tue Aug 31 2010, 05:32AM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
Location: Chico, CA. USA
Posts: 5639
you better figure it out. if you dont have them anti phased you wont get output, i think.
(both outs will be [+ against +]and [- against -] instead of [+ against -] and [- against +] right?)
be careful, try not to die.
Back to top
Adam Munich
Tue Aug 31 2010, 05:33AM
Adam Munich Registered Member #2893 Joined: Tue Jun 01 2010, 09:25PM
Location: Cali-forn. i. a.
Posts: 2242
I doubt I'll die, but it'll be quite a spectacular light show if it's wrong!
Back to top
Patrick
Tue Aug 31 2010, 05:35AM
Patrick Registered Member #2431 Joined: Tue Oct 13 2009, 09:47PM
Location: Chico, CA. USA
Posts: 5639
Grenadier wrote ...

I doubt I'll die, but it'll be quite a spectacular light show if it's wrong!
LOL!
Back to top
klugesmith
Tue Aug 31 2010, 03:58PM
klugesmith Registered Member #2099 Joined: Wed Apr 29 2009, 12:22AM
Location: Los Altos, California
Posts: 1716
In case you didn't get the point about phasing,
when you choose two household outlets fed by different circuits:

The neutral wires will be at about the same potential.
But depending on the panel placement of the two circuit breakers or fuses,
your 120V "hot" wires could be same or opposite phase.
Your MOT primary connections must be phased accordingly.
If you get it wrong, the voltages of series-connected secondary
windings will subtract instead of add. No fireworks.

If one breaker trips (or has tripped) while you have a load or arc between the
two HV secondary terminals, all outlets on the tripped circuit
will be back-fed with voltage from a MOT running in reverse.
Back to top
1 2 3 4 

Moderator(s): Chris Russell, Noelle, Alex, Tesladownunder, Dave Marshall, Dave Billington, Bjørn, Steve Conner, Wolfram, Kizmo, Mads Barnkob

Go to:

Powered by e107 Forum System
 
Legal Information
This site is powered by e107, which is released under the GNU GPL License. All work on this site, except where otherwise noted, is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 2.5 License. By submitting any information to this site, you agree that anything submitted will be so licensed. Please read our Disclaimer and Policies page for information on your rights and responsibilities regarding this site.