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wylie

Sat Jun 05 2010, 09:22PM

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All the emotional "they're killing cute animals!" stuff needs to stop.

The main issue here is that the US Feds passed a law limiting liability damages for corporations. So go ahead, skewer BP, but they're only following the law they bought and paid for. Yeah, Obama is all about putting the Special Interests in Their Place. Their Place at His Side. ("BP and its employees have given more than $3.5 million to federal candidates over the past 20 years", per Reuters. google it.)

Cries for revenge or more regulation only feed the entity that allowed this spill to happen in the 1st place. Don't allow corporations to get by with less liability insurance then they should have. How much is enough? Let the underwriters of that insurance decide. They're the ones taking the risk.

PS: campaign contributions work just like the base on a BJT. a small current can switch a much larger current.

MinorityCarrier

Sun Jun 06 2010, 02:13AM

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BP has to pay royalties to the U.S. on the spilled oil, roughly estimated to be ~$10B so far, they have to pay all clean-up costs, also in the billions, their liability may be capped as some ridiculously low amount that the Republicans are protecting by blocking a change to $10B, but that may change as the extent of the damage and loss of livelyhood is made known to the people.

Wylie, your 'cute animal' comment is non-sequitur, your subsequent comments arrogant and uninformed. BP's criminal negligence is killing a large part of the ocean. A major portion of the oil is suspended underwater in an emulsion combined with a toxic surfactant that damages gills of aquatic life. This supension in volume will likely reach the North Atlantic Drift of the Gulf Stream current carrying it through the Grand Banks, one of the largest fisheries on the planet. It's probable that some of this oil will end up on the beaches of the UK.

TransOcean and Haliburton are the less-guilty part of this (I'm NO fan of Haliburton), it apparently was BP management that ordered criminal shortcuts in the backfill of the well pipe, and insufficient pressure testing of a damaged well head, apparently during a shouting match with TransOcean and Haliburton personnel. Some of those personnel are now dead.

BP's masquarade as a 'Green' oil company has been undone by their repeated attempts to lie about how big a leak this is, how little it will affect the ocean, and to have their goons (unsuccessfully) prevent people from taking photographs and video of the carnage of coastal waterfowl. I for one am glad BP's deceit has been exposed. They're no better than Exxon/Mobil.

Strict American Federal Regulation and Goverment inspection and first-person monitoring of territorial deep ocean drilling, with severe consequences, including criminal prosecution of executives, for failure to comply, is what needs to be put in place. Just like what Norway has in place, only stricter. Like it or not, drilling for oil in the ocean is going to continue. For the crime at hand, let the Investigation identify the guilty parties, and prosecute them.

My two cents....

Coronafix

Tue Jun 08 2010, 11:25PM

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It seems BP still has money to spend on cleaning up the oil spill. :)

Conundrum

Wed Jun 09 2010, 05:42PM

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BP should be nationalised IMHO, and the CEOs held to account before the Hague, for crimes against humanity.

Unlikely to happen though, the Govt is in Big Oil's pocket and no doubt they will get away with a slap on the wrist as usual

MinorityCarrier

Wed Jun 09 2010, 06:39PM

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I'm paraphrasing this, but as reported on MSNBC yesterday, one of the Gulf (Louisiana?) coastal towns requested BP to finance equipment that could seperate oil/tar from sand for their beaches, the cost was ~$100K, and BP said the the cost was too high. A few days later BP unveiled their $53 Million commercial advertising campaign with Tony (Lying Sack of S**T) Hayward saying how sorry he was for this spill.

This situation will show just how 'Special' the U.S./U.K. relationship is. I don't see as much reporting on BBC about this, could BP have used their clout to get the BBC to reduce coverage, or am I just being too conspiratorial?

wylie

Thu Jun 10 2010, 03:29AM

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BP's criminal negligence

How about the regulators who were already in place who didn't do their job properly? Are they liable too?

A few days later BP unveiled their $53 Million commercial advertising campaign

What do you expect? Advertising works (for some reason i can't explain), so why wouldn't they? It's not like 53mil is even a drop in the bucket compared to the amount of money they're losing while the resource they've paid for the rights to extract seeps away into the ocean.

And again, I have to ask how MORE regulation will address the problems that the current regulation has already failed to address. BP just has to spend more on Bribes then? Or we just need to start a brainwashing core of clone troopers who will inviolably follow the regulations without ever being tempted by corruption? OH, and their genes would prevent them from ever becoming lazy.

Uncap Liability. Its the most efficient way to ensure that ANY business/corporate-entity can pay for their mistakes. And hey, it might just achieve that green-goal of making petrol less cost effective than renewable energy, to boot.

EDIT: And yes, it's totally f*&%ng retarded that the Feds have prevented Louisiana from taking their own measures to contain the damage. Left Hand Vs Right Hand armwrestling..... *sigh*

MinorityCarrier

Thu Jun 10 2010, 05:51AM

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The only point I agree with you on is uncapping liability, the rest of your circular argumentitive tome appears to be irrationally attempting to explain away BP's responsibility. It reads like something Glen Beck would say.

With regards to more regulation, Your logic seems like saying that house fires can be prevented by getting rid of the fire safety inspector.

If you really want that much less government interference, you can always move to Somalia. I hear they'll let you be a pirate.

wylie

Thu Jun 10 2010, 11:11AM

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I thought i'd give a second attempt at arguing the issue rationally.

"Glen Beck", "Somalia", "BP should be nationalised" (its spelled with a Z, or is that a limey thing?), "Haliburton".....

Yeah, i should have known better. Maybe i did, i just wanted to roll in the mud too? Enjoy your liberal hatefest.

IntraWinding

Thu Jun 10 2010, 12:27PM

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wylie wrote ...

...nationalised" (its spelled with a Z, or is that a limey thing?)...

American English seems very extravagant with the Z's from a UK viewpoint. For us Z is used just about as often as X, which is rarely. We use it in words like Zoo, Haze, Maze, Zap, Zip, Buzz. I can't think of any more. To a Brit, or me anyway, the wide use of Z in a US text makes it look like a DC comic or the speech bubbles from the 60's Batman TV series during a fight: Zzzzzzaaap!!!, Kaazzzooommm!!! etc. Those where also the main exposure over here to US spelling back then. Now the internet and Windows spell checkers has started to blur the distinction for me, but I never was much good at spelling. I wonder if schools will give up and accept certain US spellings have replaced traditional ones here. Some I'm sure will never change, like color instead of colour, and pronouncing the 'Z' as Zee instead of Zed.

wylie

Thu Jun 10 2010, 02:28PM

Registered Member #882 Joined: Sat Jul 07 2007, 04:32AM
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makes it look like a DC comic or the speech bubbles from the 60's Batman TV series during a fight

Both produced in in ameriduh, for ameriduhn audiences.....so why would those use your crazy redcoat spellings? Just to humour you?

(whoops am i getting extravagent with my U's?!?!)

PS: yes, i'm just being an ass now. Kinda wish i could retract the post....i just cant resist?

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