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Goodchild
Mon May 24 2010, 09:26PM
Goodchild Registered Member #2292 Joined: Fri Aug 14 2009, 05:33PM
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Like I said before and also 803 said you only need the 40Kv (big red wire)

Here is a good page to read up on flybacks and how to drive them: Link2
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aris
Tue May 25 2010, 08:46AM
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the second pole is the pin that arc ok?the pin of the ground and input poles which of them are and how i can know?Also i think to supply the flyback transformer with an second transformer that output 12v and 800mA,this is a good idea?Goodchild you use your flyback for tesla coil?If yes can you send me diagrams and parametres for exaple what input voltage you supply it ,how and what output voltage you got?..!
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Goodchild
Tue May 25 2010, 02:25PM
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Umm you can't use a second transformer to drive a flyback. Flybacks are high frequency transformers. The link that I provided before shows you how to wind a primary find the ground and driver them. Once you get the flyback working then we can help you hook it up to a tesla coil, but you have to get the flyback working first. You should read up a little more about flyabcks before you build one. Use the search tool there are loads of post from other people that have build flyback tesla coils.
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aris
Tue May 25 2010, 04:55PM
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ok thanks i search for it..The mosfet and other same things can be found to a tv or an other electrical machine or i must bought?If i achieved to drive it how i can mesured the output voltage and how i can decreased it to 7-15 to use it for the tesla coil?

Edit:It's essential i wind my own primary or the internal turns are sufficient for the voltage i want for the coil?
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803
Tue May 25 2010, 07:09PM
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if you wind your own primary, you will get more voltage, but less life, ie it's going to break faster. if you use the built in one, it will last longer, stay coller, but less voltage. it realy depends one you. i suggest using the build in one


just my $o.o2:-D
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Proud Mary
Tue May 25 2010, 07:23PM
Proud Mary Registered Member #543 Joined: Tue Feb 20 2007, 04:26PM
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Why not just look up the part number in the HR Diemen replacement LOPT index?

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Mads Barnkob
Tue May 25 2010, 07:45PM
Mads Barnkob Registered Member #1403 Joined: Tue Mar 18 2008, 06:05PM
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803 wrote ...

if you wind your own primary, you will get more voltage, but less life, ie it's going to break faster. if you use the built in one, it will last longer, stay coller, but less voltage. it realy depends one you. i suggest using the build in one


just my $o.o2:-D

The output voltage depends entirely on the number of windings, bus voltage of the driver, frequency of the driver and duty cycle of the driver. Saying that something will break faster with a self wound outer primary coil is nonsense.

Using the original inner primary winding can cause you problems as internal flashovers due to high coupling between the coils and flashovers at the connector pins of the flyback that could lead to destruction of your driver.

My only sound advice for you, Aris, is to study much more before asking more questions, you seem to be in a hurry to build a Tesla coil but you show a great lack of understanding of the components you are working with.

Study some more, then come back and ask some questions that show you have just some understanding and insight on the subject. You have almost repeated your questions through this thread despite numerous explanations and links to others work to study.

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aris
Tue May 25 2010, 08:19PM
aris Registered Member #2871 Joined: Sat May 22 2010, 06:50PM
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yes i am new in electronics and as a student i dont know very much about this:P..After some reading i found this easy circuit Link2
Its ok to drive with it my fbt?Also i think to use this transistor:s2055af transistor insted of the transistor that use this guy!Its ok?

One more stupid question..The flyback is used only for solid state telsa coil or and for spark gap?
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quicksilver
Wed May 26 2010, 03:17PM
quicksilver Registered Member #1408 Joined: Fri Mar 21 2008, 03:49PM
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A LOPT is used in many applications, To get a good idea what it does, search for "LOPT, applications, design" - not flyback. It's a pretty interesting device.

The 2N2055 has a appropriated rated capacity to handle the levels of current you MAY use but it's not the best performer. That's why most people avoid them and find alternatives. You look at it's data sheet & check out it's rated capacity. Most higher rated triode switching transistor will function but for the very elementary driver you want to make each part has a great deal of impact. You can find much better. And, yes, it will make a difference.

Additionally, in your example circuit, the gentleman uses what appears to be 1/2 watt rated resistors. That's not a good move if you intend on pumping more current than a 9v battery through it. Resistors in that circuit will get hot; they protect the transistor, etc. You need to follow an appropriate schematic & stick with the rated materials for your initial power supply. Here is the example (I believe) that is the classic "one switching transistor driver":
Link2
It's very simple and can use lower levels of current (than a ZVS driver). Save that schematic and use the appropriate parts. Substitutes may be made but go for a higher wattage resistor or a more robust transistor; don't substitute lower rated components. Try the 2N2055 and see if it meets your needs. Try to make a neat job: wires all over Hell can be a danger & an annoyance.
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803
Wed May 26 2010, 05:27PM
803 Registered Member #2807 Joined: Fri Apr 16 2010, 08:10PM
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The output voltage depends entirely on the number of windings, bus voltage of the driver, frequency of the driver and duty cycle of the driver. Saying that something will break faster with a self wound outer primary coil is nonsense.

Using the original inner primary winding can cause you problems as internal flashovers due to high coupling between the coils and flashovers at the connector pins of the flyback that could lead to destruction of your driver.

My only sound advice for you, Aris, is to study much more before asking more questions, you seem to be in a hurry to build a Tesla coil but you show a great lack of understanding of the components you are working with.

Study some more, then come back and ask some questions that show you have just some understanding and insight on the subject. You have almost repeated your questions through this thread despite numerous explanations and links to others work to study




But you just proved your self wrong. In regular transformer ops, the less primary winds, the more voltage, right? So on the primary you wind around 5 right. So you are winding much less than the internal one which is around 10s So you will overload the seccondary and you might burn the insulation. But if you are talking of resonance, thenyou are right.

Thanks,

Paul
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