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ZVS driver help! 24v 50A psu zenners ????

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Ed
Fri Mar 05 2010, 04:54PM Print
Ed Registered Member #2721 Joined: Fri Mar 05 2010, 04:09PM
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Hi,

i have constructed some ZVS drivers first using IRFP460's worked great at 12v but only 3 to 5 secconds using 24v50A psu, swhitched to IGBT's and now works for about 10secs before the IGBT dies, im using 12v zener diodes with 10k paralell resistors, the main divider is 2x 270ohm 5wat resistors, i want to use this circuit as an induction heater to solder tungsten tips for lathe tooling, is there a way to wind the 5+5 turn coil so it is balanced (metal partially inserted into coil)

i build a SMT version one and this died at 24volt also
look here Link2
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cjk2
Fri Mar 05 2010, 06:43PM
cjk2 Registered Member #51 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 04:17AM
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It is hard to tell what is going wrong from your description. Post pictures and a schematic of exactly what you have built. ZVS drivers are very robust and you should not be destroying any 460's with only 24v. Are the parts overheating? Are your 5+5 turns on a ferrite core? Post pictures so someone can point out any obvious mistakes.

No, If you want to do an induction heater with a ZVS driver, you will need to wind 5+5 turns on a large ferrite core, then make maybe a 10 turn winding on the other leg of the core, then couple that winding to your work coil or LC circuit that includes your work coil. A ZVS based induction heater is probably not a good idea. You will be more successful if you pursue a "real" induction heater topology.
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Ed
Fri Mar 05 2010, 07:11PM
Ed Registered Member #2721 Joined: Fri Mar 05 2010, 04:09PM
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Ok,
The parts wont even get warm, the 5+5 turns are on a flyback ferrite core, works great at 12v and even 18v but the mosfets or IGBT's die at 24Volt 50A power

Here are some pics

Schematics

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Dr. Dark Current
Fri Mar 05 2010, 11:06PM
Dr. Dark Current Registered Member #152 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 03:36PM
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Looking at the schematic, you have the zener and fast diodes swapped over !
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101111
Fri Mar 05 2010, 11:42PM
101111 Registered Member #575 Joined: Sun Mar 11 2007, 04:00AM
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As Jan said, you have an error in the schematic.
Just want to add, you might want to give some credit to the one that actually came up with that circuit, Vladimiro Mazzilli...
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Ed
Sat Mar 06 2010, 02:52AM
Ed Registered Member #2721 Joined: Fri Mar 05 2010, 04:09PM
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LoL, amazed
no wonder why, the zeners where getting fried and the fast diodes where not protecting the gates,
same goes for the SMT version, by the way, just got a couple toroids will these be more suitable ??

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Ed
Sat Mar 06 2010, 04:05AM
Ed Registered Member #2721 Joined: Fri Mar 05 2010, 04:09PM
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i swapped the diodes, (using new zeners) and it worked at 24v 50A giving 2inch ac arcs on my flyback, however i removed the flyback and used the 5+5 air core inductor (actualy not air core since i placed a scredriver inside) but the mosfer blew up inmediately, i have used this setup at 12V and the screw driver would heat up, but this time it got not even warm. any advice
???
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cjk2
Sun Mar 07 2010, 06:41AM
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I doubt this driver will work without a core! I suspect that with an air core, you will need very good coupling between the windings and many turns so that you maintain a reasonable inductance. If you want to do an induction heater, use an intermediate ferrite transformer.
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Ed
Mon Mar 08 2010, 02:58AM
Ed Registered Member #2721 Joined: Fri Mar 05 2010, 04:09PM
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shoul i use any capacitor on the secondary ? and what turn ratio should be used ???

please advice

Thanks
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ezis666
Mon Mar 08 2010, 06:30AM
ezis666 Registered Member #2564 Joined: Tue Dec 22 2009, 05:26AM
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My ZVS IH setup:
2xIRFP064 mosfets, 470Ohm resistors, 12V zeners, UF4007 Diodes paralel with 39pF caps, 26V PSU.Inductor :2*3wind. Cu 8mm pipe, 50mm ID, 20x150n@250V foil caps in paralel. f~130kHz, power draw 4A empty, 40A max load.
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