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dmg

Wed Jan 20 2010, 03:20AM

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we are HVers nots englishes magors

unless im the only one here who's illiterate

Myke

Wed Jan 20 2010, 04:16AM

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I'm in 11th grade and it doesn't seem like there are so many people who sit around thinking they'll make lots of money later in life. Those people who sit around seem to be aware of what will happen later on and they're fine with it (I guess).
I've received the same responses as others have in this thread towards my projects I bring to school. The students and teachers sometimes ask, "What do can you do with the high voltage?". I say, "I don't know... Maybe a particle accelerator or something"

. I stopped bringing my projects to school because either they are too heavy, fragile, dangerous, or require special equipment to see what it does.

I agree with Hazmatt that education has gone into the toilet. We don't have any math higher than calc BC, no physics C, and no sorts of metal working/wood working/hands on classes besides culinary arts which is at a different school a mile away.

Even if we aren't English majors, we are expected to spell properly.

dmg

Wed Jan 20 2010, 04:48AM

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yeah I know, Im just bieng a dolt,
but the thing is, that my school (some bright kids) the majority, like I said before seems to be stuck in the "get rich quick" mindframe, but at least they could put some effort in order to pass their classes so they can at least graduate and get thier diploma.
In my school though, I soon wont be able to bring any projects (unless I arrange something with the teacher) as they will be revising the curriculum, from what I heard, they will mix the low classes and the high classes to make common classes that is essentially dumbed down so more kids can pass. (I know it will for sure be in math, they will take applied and pure math and ditch them, and in thier stead, they will use the bastard child known as math common).

I am forchunate enough that next semester I will have the welding, construction, building etc. classes, (had my cores already). so I can get some cases and stuff built for my projects, (could use some acrylic for my TC controller).

Turkey9

Wed Jan 20 2010, 05:25AM

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I'm in 12th grade and although there is by no means a shortage of stupid people at my school, I've had a different experience. I'm known for my crazy science stuff and for the most part people are interested in it. Even the slackers know the worth (and in my opinion, some of the kids that are the worst slackers are also some of the most intelligent, they just don't see why they should learn about wortheless courses such as language arts). But my school is tiny and is ruled by the politics of the town. They don't offer any physics classes above physics I (algebra based course) and the other science classes are a joke. My school also plays with words so that the 10% of students that have dropped out by senior year aren't reported as drop outs. We have a pretty good vocational department that is dramatically underfunded. It seems that the school administration doesn't care about math and science, but a good chunk of the students do.

And as far as language arts, how are you going to communicate your amazing scientific discoveries without it? No one is going to take you seriously if you misspell every other word and make countless grammatical errors in a technical paper. I hate it as much as any other nerd but it is needed. (except for parts of speech, there really is no point to that)

Thanks to the vocational classes here, a lot of kids that are great with their hands but not so good with normal school work are recruited by construction or carpentry companies right out of school. Another perk of a small developing rural town. Not very many kids that are spoiled and expect to make money without working for it. Around here the people work hard for their money and that gets instilled in the kids.

dmg

Wed Jan 20 2010, 05:43AM

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turkey9, you are absolutely correct about that, but in my school, the core subjects have thier popularity ladder as well, and after grade 10, science spilits into these branches :science 20 +30 (the class is very dumbed down), chemistry,biology and physics.
the sciences are by far one of the most unpopular, the school mostly cares about athletics, (basketball, football)
If you arent a school athlete, the administration wouldn't give a flying crap about you.

so im pretty sure that the advancement of humanity depends on man's intelligence and further persuit of relevent subjects, and not focusing so much about chasing after a piece of leather filled with air.
(not saying that athletics are useless, if we didn't have them people would die from obesity and general laziness and inactivity).
but my point is, that the school boards should really take a closer look about thier priorities.

the_anomaly

Wed Jan 20 2010, 12:46PM

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Their priorities are to pass a majority of students and keep the tax dollars rolling in.

Steve Conner

Wed Jan 20 2010, 05:45PM

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Ohh, Nick, that's mean! (notice I didn't say "completely untrue"... but as a university employee I'll shut up now ;-X )

wrote ...
Education has gone into the toilet, and its funny to read the posts with all the spelling mistakes, hehehehehehehe.

Hazmatt, if you want to be snarky, it's "it's" not "its".

Mates

Wed Jan 20 2010, 09:44PM

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I tell you a story about the old days in communist Czechoslovakia. I was a kid about the age of 8 and I was pioneer (something like hitlerjugend member}. We all were pretty organized in those days. All the kids were members of some clubs. I was visiting chess club and also a club of friends of amateur radio. The second one was really cool. We were led by some military ex-officer who was deep in radio technology and electronics in general. The best thing about this course was we had an unlimited supply of military electronic parts. All was for free. I remember that one day a huge track brought old military Russian computers as rubbish for removing electronic components. Thatâ€™s was really something, removing all the stuff which was inside. I felt like in heaven. Those computers had very funny memories. It was some kind of mesh made of cupper wires and there were multiple ferrites on that mesh (like small pearls in a spider net)â€¦ I could continueâ€¦

Iâ€™m talking about this to accent that I was actually pretty lucky. I had this possibility as a child. This experience started something inside of me which persisted. Despite I never studied electronics and electricity (Iâ€™m graduated molecular biologist) I always liked to work with solder iron and always kept some interest. Three years ago when I needed 1million volts for an experimental idea I simply recalled all what I learned when I was 8 years old. I became a member of this forum and built few HV devices. My point is how to start whole life interest into electricity and science in todayâ€™s generation of 8 years old guys? The sad thing about it is that the stupid communist system, full of military emphasis new the trick quite well.

dmg

Wed Jan 20 2010, 09:58PM

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my interest started around when I was seven, while at the time, I didnt really have any clubs (other then my perants who do know more then me), I took apart random appliances scattered in trash bins (my seven year old self didn't know there was screws so I just smashed them open), but the point is, even though I didn't really know what the components and PCBs were for, It was just the fact that I held those components or even looked at them that I had an interest, (also got lucky, at the time, I also didn't know that CRT monitors were under an implosive vacuum, now I know better.) you are very lucky mates, I wish that as a kid I had access to military grade electrical supplies.
also we did have some clubs at school (acting, chess, whatever) but none of them had found my interest because they were not about electronics or any form of science.)
still, that access to components, sure sounds like heaven,
I wish I had a dumpster filled with electronic junk all for me, I would never leave...

Hazmatt_(The Underdog)

Thu Jan 21 2010, 02:40AM

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I wasn't trying to be snarky, I just thought the argument was funny with the spelling mistakes in it.

What you have to realize is that until you venture out into the real world, you cannot see the value in your bogus education. How do you pass a job interview without Speech? Heheheh.

Anyway, most of this is to teach you HOW to think and not so much WHAT to think. Try to ask a High School graduate to solve a problem analytically and they will probably struggle. If you ask a College student the same question they will probably solve it because they have been kicked in the ass for so long with what you could call "Process".
My example is my family members who are not college grads. who try to solve problems, struggle, then force it unitl something breaks. Myself, I usually have better luck, and then I get the torch, hahahah.

Anyways, I just thought it was funny.

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