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Ascanius Maximus

Wed Jan 06 2010, 02:53PM

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Hi, after reading some nice translations from very very old vedan scriptures called "the Way/Wai" and others sciptures wich describes Virmana, the Rama empires "flying devices" (just like like the Atlantean Vrilliax), i can see very litteraly that they in some design that seem all electrical used very large double helix wound football/double cone coils, i even have the ratio and other information like good dielectrics wich are now understood and translated.

BUT!
What i do not have is very simple practical information on how to wind such a coil, recommendations etc.
I know that Tesla build these coils and also very large versions of them, some still exist, but i cannot get my mind around wrapping those coils helically on a dopuble cone / football and getting it all to look nice, so please help me out if someone has some good practical information on how to wind such a bugger nicely.

I know that Nikola Tesla made some of these coils, here is a picture of one that he made personally:
Ap 2609 Doublecoilnew01

This coil is wound with 127 feet from one end to the other, i need mine to be wound helically, and that is where i need the help, as i understand, you wind one sidedown, paper and then back again so that there is one a single connection in one end, either that or someway else that some here might know of? like laying the cores double and then just winding them down side by side and then thats it etc? maybe someone has seen or heard a litllte something?

Like, choice of paper, material for cone, cardboard is fine, but what is better?, good coating etc. how to hold while winding etc.

I will post my results when it get one made and hooked up to what i would consider a giant eath shielded capacitor/condenser with standing waves pushing it away from..... WHATEVER, i have seen some doing this with "combination coil" flat tesla spiral as primary and solonoid as secondary with plexiglass (has to be thick) in between.

It is a very little bit like the "THE ION LIFTERS" iwe played with those as well, made several disks, triangles and devices for liniar movement/demonstration, but the fun is all out of that one due to lack of enough force to keep my balls satisfied as i am just a grown up kid trying to get some fun in life, no matter the price or danger involved, so i need to move up, getting some good calculations for generating stnding waves at the right frequency so that very little power will be needed.

Thanks in advance for the time spend giving a helping hand

Coronafix

Mon Jan 11 2010, 01:48AM

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There is some info here as to how Mates wound his red traffic cone coil,

You are breaking rules though mentioning psuedoscience here and may find this thread locked really quickly. Reread the rules so that you understand the forums standpoint.

doctor electrons

Mon Jan 11 2010, 02:05AM

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Actually, with respect to Telsa, some of his writings were in fact about flying wirelessly powered aircraft.
He also wrote of wirelessly powered boats. Not that these "flying devices" were in any way what is misconstrued
from his writings as "ufo's". Tesla spoke and wrote very much about Atlantis, though I am glad he never spoke of
"aliens" or "little green dudes". I know the rules pretty well and I dont think you broke them, maybe nudged them a bit.
But I also agree with Coronafix; you may want to throttle it back a little bit on the ancient stuff.
Either way; you should check out the thread he suggested! It happens to be very cool!

Ascanius Maximus

Mon Jan 11 2010, 12:42PM

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There is nothing to hold back, but ignorance itselv!

So from the start.
PHD examined people have translated very old indian scriptures "the way/wai and others" that is know from carbon dating to be at least 3500 years old, solid fact!
They found information regarding different things from the old Rama empire, some about virmanas wich interest me.

So that is a solid FACT, not pseudoscience, and besides that, what science is not pseudo as we do not know ANYTHING fully, not even the simples little bit.

But in those translations they tell very litterary how to operate, service and even build virmanas.

So no hokus pokus, no green fellas, only hard evidence.

I have made several levitating objects based on pulsed dc from cascades build on normal hv transformers, they fly, levitate and you can call it ion wind, it does not matter as they fly and that is where my satisfaction lies no matter what you call it.

So if many have build much larger things and i have found the hard evidence on that,
shame on you for blaming me for that,
shame of you for being ignorant,
you could instead try to find out what you dont know instead of blaming others from knowing what you do not know of yourself.

Besides that i am glad for the link

But i really hate ignorant and antagonising ppl, last time i build a Pantone Geet generator it was not bareable and when the engine started, they just looked into the ground and walked away, they did not know what to beleave anymore.

That have told me that one of the greater skills in life is to be ready at any moment to acept that everything you know/or most is a lie/wrong/corrupt/error

So that you are allwaysable to hear and learn.

Totallitarian ways of thinking allweays and only leads to extreme ignorance, so there is NEVER only one simple answer, there is allways an unlimited number.

Here is a little to think about the one guy has done:

Steve Conner

Mon Jan 11 2010, 01:03PM

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No ancient Vedic flying machines here please!

Let's not get sucked into a discussion of whether such things work, exist or not. We all have our own beliefs on the matter, but this is a forum for practical science and electronics.

Discussion of how to wind conical coils is fine, but any more talk of vimana technology, Atlantis, etc. will get the thread locked according to the forum rules. We just don't do that stuff here.

The stuff you cited isn't "hard evidence" at all, it's about as convincing as episodes of Star Trek would be to future archaeologists that we really had starships. Hard evidence would be finding radioactive vimana parts in an ancient waste depot in India.

doctor electrons

Tue Jan 12 2010, 01:43AM

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Ascanius, .. Trust me when i say that no one here is either calling you a quack.. or trying to say that you are wrong, crazy, or
sone kind of fanatic. Please do not take it that way! No body is attacking you or your beliefs. Steve merely stated that some of your topic
was a tad borderline as far as what we all like to keep the discussions about. That is what is generally accepted as" proven science. " The sort of stuff
you can easily find in a good textbook. With that said... Lets forget that we all may have started out with the right shoe on the wrong foot.
I hope that you get the chance to learn some things here like i have, you are among some very brilliant people!
Mike..

Ascanius Maximus

Tue Jan 12 2010, 01:22PM

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Regarding the Red traffic cone

What to use as the center?
I am not much for pvc, plexiglass and other fabricated dielectrics as they tend to give of flux, help bleeding, static high voltage at edges etc. so as good a natural dielctric as possible is what is needed, i hope someone has suggestions in that regard, as the cardboard, paper Tesla used with his coils as shown here in picture is rather fragile, i would like something that can hold its form under fluxuatiing presure, perhaps some akasia wood would be good?
Please give me your ideas in that single regard as it is much needed, no traffic cone here

but a funny thread to read never the less the fun of it.

I have the measures for my coils, the ratio between diameter and total length, i have a lot of standard instalation solid isolated copperwire 1.5 mm for the secondary and a lot of copper gas tubing that i will be using for my primary and perhaps preparing it by filling it with hot wax and sealing it, i have some beewax at hand, perhaps mixing it 50-50% with white vaseline would be good?

Also i think i have to cover the secondary with some sort of dielectric after it is wrapped to help my cheap wire from bleeding/leaking, what would be good here?

Ascanius Maximus

Tue Jan 12 2010, 01:51PM

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I have just found this very nice pdf. wich shows just what i wanted

I hope it can help others trying to find a good natural dielectric material like Douglas fir

Mates

Tue Jan 12 2010, 03:41PM

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Ascanius Maximus wrote ...

Regarding the Red traffic cone

What to use as the center?

I used long metal screw-stick and placed and fixed metal disk inside using screw females. The disk is a blade from a rotary saw. On the tip side I used metal backplate. Piece of cake

Regarding your problem with natural material:
I came with this idea. You can use the traffic cone as a support and than wind some rope (made of natural fabric like cotton, wool, etc.) around. As next step is to use some kind of varnish (non-synthetic) and put multiple layers on the rope-based surface. Let it dry and than all you need is some hard sand paper work and you should get a nice cone, light and 100% natural.

Cheers Mates

BTW: I hope you will not give up the project!

Ascanius Maximus

Tue Jan 12 2010, 05:12PM

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Thanks Mates, that was a very good idea indeed, the one with the natural materials offcourse, i just need to take fluxuating pressure as a possibility, so the coil must not be able to be damaged even with violent preasure movement, so it has to be so solid that i can empty it out, void the middle of air, either or it has to be massive/solid dielectric.

I just today called and e-mailed a sawwork/lumber jack station that handles Douglas Fir on our mainland, they will provide me with big enough pieces of center wood to mill down to 2 double cones, 20 cm in diameter and 40 cm in total length, the diameter and height has to be in the golden section, so it will be a little different than this.
When i get those milled down i will start to wind my coils on them, so that i will have a good solid dielectric in the middle of each of my two coils if your idea should fail witch seem far better if it holds though

So now i am onto my next problem, how to secure the primary around the middle of the secondary and ALSO being able to adjust it around 5 cm up and down the 20 cm length of each "end" thereby 10 cm in all, i think i have to build my finished secondary into a tube in order to secure it WITH the secondary around it ALSO secured, so that the finished product will be able to handle shock from the cell condenser that they will be placed within.

Thanks again for the info and no, i never give up a project, only for a time due to poverty

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