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Solidacid
Sat Nov 21 2009, 09:53PM Print
Solidacid Registered Member #1430 Joined: Sun Apr 06 2008, 11:12AM
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so, i finally got around to building that awesome spudgun i have been wanting for so long.
chamber fan, pure butane fuel meter, laser sight, firing timer, microcontroller based chronograph mounted on the barrel? all that kind of stuff.
the problem is: i need a small ignition circuit! ignition coils and flybacks are simply too big.

i'm planning on using a 13cm * 7cm * 4cm box with 2 9volt batteries for the chamber fan as the housing.


do you have any ideas on small circuits that will give off some nice at hot sparks/arcs that will fit in the box?
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GluD
Sun Nov 22 2009, 12:21AM
GluD Registered Member #1221 Joined: Wed Jan 09 2008, 06:17PM
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Modified camera flash circuit to discharge some capacitor into the chamber? Not super high voltage I supose but a discharge like that ought to ignite the gas, right?

Hurts alot on your fingers at least.. been zapped once, never really got back to that circuit again :D
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Solidacid
Sun Nov 22 2009, 12:33AM
Solidacid Registered Member #1430 Joined: Sun Apr 06 2008, 11:12AM
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by "discharging some capacitor into the chamber" i assume you mean the method with the really really closely spaced electrods, i have tried that before, but the electrodes are extremely sensitive. after about 5 shots, the electrodes need adjustment again and the charging time sucks cry
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Arcstarter
Sun Nov 22 2009, 12:45AM
Arcstarter Registered Member #1225 Joined: Sat Jan 12 2008, 01:24AM
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Discharge a somewhat small capacitor into a little pulse coil?

I have used a normal magneto from a weed wacker for a pulse coil. I wound a primary on some random part of the iron core, and discharge a small capacitor into it and it gave a couple inch spark. They are usually pretty small, and the charging circuit could be a camera charger, and try like 10uf or something. That would charge quick and probably be enough for half an inch spark.

That is what i would do. Just look for a trashed weed wacker.
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Solidacid
Sun Nov 22 2009, 01:03AM
Solidacid Registered Member #1430 Joined: Sun Apr 06 2008, 11:12AM
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i wonder if i could wind a pulse coil myself..
i'd need a core of some sort :/
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Billybobjoe
Sun Nov 22 2009, 05:57AM
Billybobjoe Registered Member #396 Joined: Wed Apr 19 2006, 12:55AM
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I've used a small 9v battery powered grill ignitor very sucessfully. It came with a big cool looking red button and gives out successive pulses of probably 8kv at about 4 Hz for as long as you push the button. It definitely meets your size requirements too. I think I got it on eBay. A quick search returned this Link2 - which is similar but you could probably find it cheaper if you look around.
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Solidacid
Sun Nov 22 2009, 12:16PM
Solidacid Registered Member #1430 Joined: Sun Apr 06 2008, 11:12AM
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hmm.. it's pretty expensive, and i'd prefer to build it myself.. i wonder what's inside one of those things though.
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IntraWinding
Sun Nov 22 2009, 01:22PM
IntraWinding Registered Member #2261 Joined: Mon Aug 03 2009, 01:19AM
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If you just need a spark to ignite a gas air mix from a finger operated trigger, you couldn't get much better than the mechanism out of a piezo type lighter.
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Erlend^SE
Sun Nov 22 2009, 03:18PM
Erlend^SE Registered Member #1565 Joined: Wed Jun 25 2008, 09:08PM
Location: Norway
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Can the pulse/trigger-transformer from a camera do the job?

Driven by around 200V(correct me if I am wrong), and gives out some KV.

All the parts needed should be possible to extract from a disposable camera. The PCB may be use-able as it is.

Only need a new spark gap, removal of flash tube, and a fresh 1.5V battery. I have NOT tested it myself or seen anyone else use the circuit for that.
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Conundrum
Mon Nov 23 2009, 01:20AM
Conundrum Registered Member #96 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 05:37PM
Location: CI, Earth
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i saw something like that a while ago using a special 3 pin "ignition chip" as the driver.

used a resin potted coil as the initiator, and generated a spark every second or so.
-A
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