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doctor electrons

Wed Nov 04 2009, 10:13PM

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I myself was sick for about a week or so. I never even considered going to get the vaccine. I for one believe that people
rely too heavily on medicines that simply mask the problem and don't do anything to eliminate it. If you're not strong enough to
fight it off, what happens when it gets stronger. Let nature do its work!

Carbon_Rod

Thu Nov 05 2009, 03:13AM

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I too have to admit to hosting a respiratory viral infection...
It was the first sick leave that I've drawn in several years.

Indeed it was a rather virulent strain, but the flu kills numerous people (usually already sick) every year.

It seems odd people will buy a product like Cold-X... where their claims are based on a study that used people who already had the flu vaccine etc. Yet, the people most vulnerable to serious complications seem biased by irresponsible media rhetoric.

"A person is smart, but people are stupid" ( Agent K )

wylie

Thu Nov 05 2009, 06:28AM

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I had lung fever few years ago...

Is that anything like ocean madness? ;)

Seriously, what's with the mercury. Is there no other way to preserve a vaccine?

I've avoided a serious flu for like 3 years now. Mom and brother got it BAD last year, like i was carrying water and food to them in bed, that bad. I got some extra mucus, and i felt a lil feverish one day, thats all. All i can say is i'm lucky, cause i totally dont take care of myself. Unless beer and cigarettes are a good flu preventative......hmmmm :)

Bored Chemist

Thu Nov 05 2009, 08:37PM

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doctor electrons wrote ...

I myself was sick for about a week or so. I never even considered going to get the vaccine. I for one believe that people
rely too heavily on medicines that simply mask the problem and don't do anything to eliminate it. If you're not strong enough to
fight it off, what happens when it gets stronger. Let nature do its work!

The whole point of a vaccine is to help the natural response.
The idea is explicitly that the vaccine version is weak to make sure that you do fight it off. Then it doesn't matter much if the natural strain gets stronger- you are already in a position to destroy it.

The usual advice for things like 'flu is to take paracetamol and wait for the body to wipe out the bug.
The paracetamol does mask the problem.
In this case they are advocating vaccination and antivirals- two methods that really attack the root problem.

Incidentally, I suspect that the answer to your question "If you're not strong enough to fight it off, what happens when it gets stronger. "
is
"you will die".
As you say "Let nature do its work!"
Or, if you prefer, try to stay alive and to hell with nature.

BTW, re pregnant women, vaccination, and tuna sandwiches.
There's a difference.
It's unlikely that a tuna sandwich will save your life.
The issue is one of risk vs. benefit analysis.
There's no point at all only looking at one side of that balance.

Noelle

Fri Nov 06 2009, 04:07AM

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There is nothing special about H1N1. It is just like any other strain of the flu. The hysteria revolving around it is out of hand and ridiculous. Government agencies like the CDC are only fueling the panic. It's shameful.

I haven't had a flu shot since I was a pre-teen. Flu shots should be saved for people in high risk situations or those who are especially susceptible to complications. That said, there is a slight risk any time you are introducing something foreign into your body, even something helpful like a vaccine. Once in a while someone has a bad reaction. But it works for the vast majority of those who use it, and that's what counts. If medicine ditched everything that didn't have a 100% success rate, then there wouldn't be medicine anymore.

MinorityCarrier

Fri Nov 06 2009, 06:06AM

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I agree with Bored Chemist in principle. The Thimerosal is a antifungal preservative. It has been tested for toxicity, and has been found to be safe for use to preserve the many vaccines that use it.

You got bit by a rabid bat, the rabies vaccine has thimerosal in it, and you want to let nature do it's work? Really?

My gripe is with the hysteria machine and the duplicitous money-grubbers behind it. This flu (H1N1) is nothing to be worried about. I really hate the people behind the effort to build up fear about it.

The H5N1 virus, if it ever mutates or conjugates to become highly infectious in humans, now that will be something to worry about.

Bored Chemist

Fri Nov 06 2009, 05:25PM

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"There is nothing special about H1N1. "
There is.
It is worryingly closely related to the one that wiped out millions in 1918.

Incidentally, the point about vaccination isn't so much about protecting the individual as about protecting the population.
I'm also intrigued to hear about the manufactureres being money grubbers.
Is there any sensible scenario where they would make flu vaccines without being paid?
Whether your healthcare insurance is private (as I understand most is in the USA) or governmental as in the UK, the insureres are not interested in giving money to the pharmaceutical indusry without a return on their investment.
It's cheaper to vaccinate lots of people than to treat those who would get seriously ill, even if there are not that many of them.

MinorityCarrier

Fri Nov 06 2009, 07:12PM

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I've seen reports suggesting the 1918 flu was a H1N1 swine flu, and I've seen reports, based upon autopsies of 1918 flu victims exhumed from permafrost graves in Alaska, that the flu was an avian flu, like H5N1. It's still debatable.

The epidemiology/etiology of the current H1N1, indicates it originated in La Gloria, Mexico, then spread to unknown thousands of Mexican citizens before the CDC raised the alarm.

There was a great deal of hype, then the vital statistics came in: 800 infected in La Gloria, two deaths (.25% lethality) both victims were infants. Patient Zero, a young boy, survived. Last I read, only 154 deaths from H1N1 have occurred in Mexico for the unknown thousands who contracted this flu. Hardly a slate-wiper pandemic.

I won't waste time describing the profiteering tactics of industrial money-grubbers, go watch the movie "The Corporation". The profit motive overrides morality far too much these days.

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