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Proud Mary
Mon Nov 02 2009, 09:50AM
Proud Mary Registered Member #543 Joined: Tue Feb 20 2007, 04:26PM
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Hello Dr KV,

welcome to my Thermionic Master Class!

Please study the PL509 data sheet - not forgetting the heater voltage - and then we shall have what we need to talk ,

love and hugz from Stella XXX








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Dr. Dark Current
Mon Nov 02 2009, 12:46PM
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Harry - I checked the datasheet again, it says heating indirect by AC or DC supply, Vf 40V If 300mA. I think I got that right in my schematic confused

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Steve Conner
Mon Nov 02 2009, 02:23PM
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Dr. Kilovolt wrote ...

Thanks Steve, that cleared some things up a bit for me. But I'm still not sure about the grid feedback network - the capacitor just blocks DC, or does something else too?

To my mind, it passes the required AC current to drive the grid, and stores the self-bias voltage between cycles. If the RC time constant is wrong, you get the dreaded "squegging".

Tubes beginning in "P" are for 300mA constant-current operation. They all draw 300mA, but the bigger tubes have a higher heater voltage. The heaters were supposed to be connected in series across the mains, like Christmas lights.
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vasil
Mon Nov 02 2009, 04:16PM
vasil Registered Member #229 Joined: Tue Feb 21 2006, 07:33PM
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PL509 datasheet
Dr K you're correct...maibe more wattage for Rg2?
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Dr. Dark Current
Thu Nov 05 2009, 06:16PM
Dr. Dark Current Registered Member #152 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 03:36PM
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okay, I'm now drawing 10cm white hot arks from the flyback, and the plate not even slightly red.

But what worries me, is that the cathode(??) seems to get hotter when the tube runs, it looks almost like as if someone upped the heater voltage during the run, but that's not the case.

Could someone guess what's going on here?


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vasil
Thu Nov 05 2009, 08:04PM
vasil Registered Member #229 Joined: Tue Feb 21 2006, 07:33PM
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A RF current component traveling along the cathode? (as for any metal piece in a RF field). It will rise more the temperature of the cathode. That's why, I think, the fillament circuits in TVs have some varistors in serie, to get back the current at the right value.

Just decrease a bit the fillament voltage, or run as it is, because PL500-504 are cheap.
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Dr. Dark Current
Thu Nov 05 2009, 08:31PM
Dr. Dark Current Registered Member #152 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 03:36PM
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vasil wrote ...

A RF current component traveling along the cathode? (as for any metal piece in a RF field). It will rise more the temperature of the cathode. That's why, I think, the fillament circuits in TVs have some varistors in serie, to get back the current at the right value.

Just decrease a bit the fillament voltage, or run as it is, because PL500-504 are cheap.
I think the varistor was to limit the inrush current (I need one too, one of the filament connections gets white-hot for a moment after turning the heater supply on...)
So you think this is ok? The anode is not red at all.

I know PL504's are cheap, but mine is 509 which is twice as powerful.


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