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Chromic-Nitric Acid versus Triton X-100 scintillator grade.

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MinorityCarrier
Tue Sept 22 2009, 06:14AM
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Pirhana clean is used to remove organics. Addition of hydrogen peroxide to sulfuric acid is very exothermic, and causes the hydrogen peroxide to eventually decompose. Pirhana clean has a limited lifetime, but would be a good trace-organic clean for any glass, ceramic, or silicon components, but NO organic components with the exception of PFA or PTFE. A longer-lived version, not as effective, would be sulfuric acid and peroxysulfuric acid heated to 50C.

A de-ionized water rinse would of course be required to remove the acid.

For semiconductor cleaning, the RCA clean is very effective. It is a 3-stage clean, ammonium hydroxide/hydrogen peroxide (removes organics), DI water rinse, 20:1 hydrofluoric acid/water (removes native silicon dioxide), DI water rinse, and finally hydrochloric acid/hydrogen peroxide (removes trace metals), DI water rinse. Stay away from hydrofluoric acid, very dangerous, destroys bone and tissue, and you don't need it for what you are doing anyway. The other two cleaning soluctions are very effective for cleaning glass and ceramic, and may be useful for what you are doing.

Keeping your x-ray apparatus dry once components are cleaned and assembled may require ovenization as well as dessicants etc, particularly if you live in a humid climate.

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Proud Mary
Tue Sept 22 2009, 09:14AM
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Let's not forget this is glass with wires coming out of it, in the cases I am talking about!

Beyond this evil sounding pirhana solution, I can only see HF, so the entire glass envelope is dissolved and be washed away down the sluice! smile
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Bored Chemist
Thu Sept 24 2009, 05:07PM
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Once the surface is fairly clean it's probably more important to keep it dry than to put too much effort into cleaning it.
I haven't tried but I think Silica gell would work- provided that you can dry it in an oven then let it cool in something airtight enough to stop it picking up water again.
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Proud Mary
Thu Sept 24 2009, 10:41PM
Proud Mary Registered Member #543 Joined: Tue Feb 20 2007, 04:26PM
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Bored Chemist wrote ...

Once the surface is fairly clean it's probably more important to keep it dry than to put too much effort into cleaning it.
I haven't tried but I think Silica gell would work- provided that you can dry it in an oven then let it cool in something airtight enough to stop it picking up water again.


A vacuum oven, or the general spud roaster? smile
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Bored Chemist
Fri Sept 25 2009, 08:00AM
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You can regenerates the stuff in an ordinary oven- it only takes about 150-200C.
A vac oven might be quicker but the vac pump might not like to deal with the water vapour.
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Proud Mary
Fri Sept 25 2009, 03:01PM
Proud Mary Registered Member #543 Joined: Tue Feb 20 2007, 04:26PM
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Bored Chemist wrote ...

You can regenerates the stuff in an ordinary oven- it only takes about 150-200C.
A vac oven might be quicker but the vac pump might not like to deal with the water vapour.

Simple stuff to use then - thank you.
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MinorityCarrier
Fri Sept 25 2009, 03:25PM
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In my military surplus dealings, I've seen many desscant packs with cobalt chloride moisture indicators (blue=dry, pink =wet). This might be a helpful indicator for the status of your dessicant packs.
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Proud Mary
Fri Sept 25 2009, 06:13PM
Proud Mary Registered Member #543 Joined: Tue Feb 20 2007, 04:26PM
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MinorityCarrier wrote ...

In my military surplus dealings, I've seen many desscant packs with cobalt chloride moisture indicators (blue=dry, pink =wet). This might be a helpful indicator for the status of your dessicant packs.

I'd forgotten about those - thanks
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