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steve's mini sstc isseu heat with the ucc37... 22 and 21 ic's/ EDIT: A new problem arises.

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Duality
Wed Aug 12 2009, 08:04PM Print
Duality Registered Member #1951 Joined: Sun Feb 01 2009, 01:59PM
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hello evvery one.
i have build steve's mini sstc.
and i got some problem's.
or atleast for sure one.
so what i wanted to ask:
the ucc..... ic's are getting really hot.
what could be the reason?
and what is the common amount of primary turns used on a tc?

this schematic:
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hvguy
Wed Aug 12 2009, 10:20PM
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I'd say 3-10 turns is common. The lower the number of turns the higher the primary current and the longer the arcs, but the mosfets will also fail faster. Put a heat sink on your GDICs. If they are the DIP package you can use heat sink compound and just set a heat sink on top of them. If they are TO-220 it should be fairly obvious.
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Duality
Wed Aug 12 2009, 10:31PM
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yep dip,
so it's common that they get to hot to touch?
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hvguy
Thu Aug 13 2009, 02:06AM
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Oh ya, very common, especially in SSTC's. I recommend the TO-220 package for future coils.
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Arcstarter
Thu Aug 13 2009, 03:04AM
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Well, how hot are they? If it will burn you, something is wrong. Normally in my sstc's they get maybe a little warm, but not hot. Even when i ran 1.4mhz, and used a huge DC blocking cap and 12 turns on the GDT, they took awhile to get actually hot.

What value is your DC blocking capacitor? Are you *sure* everything is connected right? Don't leave any details out, something seemingly insignificant can be a big help.
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coillah
Thu Aug 13 2009, 03:11AM
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I really hope this thread continues because I am currently experiencing the same thing with my coil. I currently have 10 turns and a .1uF ceramic blocking cap on the controller side of the GDT.

I was examining the output waveform on the o-scope, the bridge is currently empty... so no load on the output of the GDT. I noticed the chips were getting warm so I turned the controller off... I believe everything is hooked up correctly.

hmm
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teravolt
Thu Aug 13 2009, 03:24AM
teravolt Registered Member #195 Joined: Fri Feb 17 2006, 08:27PM
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if they get hot when they idle there is a problem with the devices or a wiring error. you could increas to 15 turns on fet driver
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Dr. H.
Thu Aug 13 2009, 06:07AM
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Hi guys

I am driving a full bridge of irfp460s at around 220khz and my UCCs are barely getting warm - you have some kind of problem. Have you checked the waveform on the gates of the FETs - the GDT might be saturating. Does the GDT runs warm/hot ?

Cheers
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Steve Conner
Thu Aug 13 2009, 09:56AM
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Did you use the right kind of GDT core? (Not yellow)
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Duality
Thu Aug 13 2009, 11:39AM
Duality Registered Member #1951 Joined: Sun Feb 01 2009, 01:59PM
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coillah wrote ...

I really hope this thread continues because I am currently experiencing the same thing with my coil. I currently have 10 turns and a .1uF ceramic blocking cap on the controller side of the GDT.

I was examining the output waveform on the o-scope, the bridge is currently empty... so no load on the output of the GDT. I noticed the chips were getting warm so I turned the controller off... I believe everything is hooked up correctly.

hmm

yes i have execlty that problem too,
i was watching the wave form too on my osciloscoop.
when i noticed that they got hot.
so i shut evvry thing down.

arcstarter:
dc blocking capacitor?
the one in the gdt circuit at the driver side?
that one is the valeu on the schematic.
they got untouchable hot. (the ucc ic's)


steve:
o dam it's yellow :(
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