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Conundrum

Sun Dec 06 2009, 11:45AM

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From what I have found, most of the "corruption" was due to incompetent admins reinstalling systems when in fact all they needed to do was change the passwords to something more sensible than the system default.

had this been done in the first place this issue would likely not have arisen. its the equivalent of leaving your router with the default password and online management, and wondering why someone mangled the settings.

Bored Chemist

Sun Dec 06 2009, 01:48PM

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Can anyone explain why he hasn't been simply prosecuted for the offense commited in the UK; a breach of this

as it would be a whole lot easier?
That might get him 5 years if he's unlucky.
Perhaps the answer has something to do with the US's embarassment an having security flaws discovered by what seems to be some unfortunate nerd who believes every conspiracy theory on the web.

klugesmith

Sun Dec 06 2009, 06:26PM

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Its the equivalent of leaving your router with the default password and online management, and wondering why someone mangled the settings.

If I leave my bicycle unlocked on front porch, and somebody steals it, it's all my fault?
I know many people would say "yup, you got it!".

Scott Fusare

Mon Dec 07 2009, 11:38AM

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All countries employ a cadre of very serious and humorless people to protect classified material. McKinnon committed the triple sin of simultaneously embarrassing, frightening and taunting these folks. That the powers that be reacted without humor was a forgone conclusion. Combine that with the then hard right administration and its (not always unjustifiable) paranoid world view and it can't possibly end well.

Does that justify a life term for being foolish, of course not. It's hard to believe any Federal judge would apply such a harsh punishment for this crime to begin with. It's not hard to believe however that McKinnon will be "made an example of" and might receive something more than the standard slap on the wrist.

To the Brits present here - Has anyone looked up this extradition treaty? It's truly hard to believe that any government would agree to such a one sided arraignment.

Bored Chemist

Tue Dec 08 2009, 06:46PM

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It's interesting to se what the Home Secreatry actually said about allowing the extradition.
"Ultimately, I have to weigh the impressive medical evidence adduced by the Claimant against the severity involved in Article 3. I have no doubt that he will find extradition to, and trial and sentence and detention in the USA, very difficult indeed. His mental health will suffer. There are risks of worse, including suicide. But if I compare his condition with those considered in the authorities to which I have referred above, even taking full account of the (in my view undesirable) possibility of his being prosecuted in this country, his case does not approach Article 3 severity."
In short, while the man's mental health will suffer and he may well diem that's less important than making a bunch of lawyers ansd politicians work a little harder because it might be harder to tansfer the evidence to a UK court than to transfer the man to a US one.

So, that's OK then.

Bjørn

Tue Dec 08 2009, 08:17PM

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If I leave my bicycle unlocked on front porch, and somebody steals it, it's all my fault?
I know many people would say "yup, you got it!".

In this case it is not really relevant since no one stole the bike, someone looked at it while it was in the driveway and they did not even have to go out of their bedroom to get a look at it.

Zum Beispiel

Tue Dec 08 2009, 09:25PM

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People should know that dicking around with a major world power, as fun and/or easy as it might be, can have some very severe consequences. This is called 'common sense'.

Yes, it is sad that a man with mental health issues is facing life imprisonment in a foreign country for a relatively minor crime, but that's the way things are and, quite frankly, he should have known better. Things like this shouldn't happen, but one should also remember that those servers weren't made for hacking into either. On this subject I am neutral

But what really saddens me about this is that, as if to add insult to injury, a man in the United States wouldn't face the same consequences for hacking a server in the UK. The extradition treaty is horribly and unfairly imbalanced, but I guess that's just one of the perks of being one of the mightiest military powers on earth.

Justice just isn't fair, I suppose.

klugesmith

Wed Dec 09 2009, 01:59AM

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BjÃ¸rn wrote ...

If I leave my bicycle unlocked on front porch, and somebody steals it, it's all my fault?
I know many people would say "yup, you got it!".

In this case it is not really relevant since no one stole the bike, someone looked at it while it was in the driveway and they did not even have to go out of their bedroom to get a look at it.

Bjorn, you are quoting me out of context!
My analogy was not to the Gary M case.
It was a simple, direct response to an analogy (which I had quoted) offered by the honorable Original Poster:

Conundrum wrote ...
its the equivalent of leaving your router with the default password and online management, and wondering why someone mangled the settings.

Conundrum

Tue Jul 12 2016, 11:31AM

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Update : As Theresa May is likely to be elected PM on Wednesday this could be relevant.

Hazmatt_(The Underdog)

Wed Jul 13 2016, 12:27AM

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Not to worry, he and Hillary can share a cell.

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