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First Tesla Coil, help appreciated!

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Jonathan Dennis
Thu Jun 04 2009, 02:36AM Print
Jonathan Dennis Registered Member #2153 Joined: Wed Jun 03 2009, 03:19PM
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Just got my NST today, I am looking for any tesla coil experts around Chattanooga TN, USA that can help me with my first project.
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Blitzorn
Thu Jun 04 2009, 02:40AM
Blitzorn Registered Member #2128 Joined: Thu May 21 2009, 03:17AM
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I won't be back in TN until july, but i can attest (as another first timer just finishing first coil) that almost all the expert advice you need can be obtained just on this site, if you ask the right question - look for recommendations about specific issues. =)
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Jonathan Dennis
Thu Jun 04 2009, 02:48AM
Jonathan Dennis Registered Member #2153 Joined: Wed Jun 03 2009, 03:19PM
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I just got my NST, but I am not sure if it is what I need. Any input, my goal is to get at least 4-5' discharge.
1244083725 2153 FT70670 100 2645
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potatorage
Thu Jun 04 2009, 03:51AM
potatorage Registered Member #1891 Joined: Wed Dec 31 2008, 02:30AM
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Try teslamap or tesla CAD for the values of the components you need, like caps-- CDE 942c series are recommended
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Herr Zapp
Thu Jun 04 2009, 03:58AM
Herr Zapp Registered Member #480 Joined: Thu Jul 06 2006, 07:08PM
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Jonathon -

Your transformer appears to be an "old style" (UL-506) conventional NST without SCGFP (Secondary Circuit Grounf Fault Protection), so it should be fine for powering spark-gap Tesla coil.

However, your expectations for arc length are unreasonable. For a first-time Tesla coil builder, you would be doing fine if you were to get 24" - 28" arcs using a static spark gap. With a lot of experimentation, optimization, and tuning, you might achieve 34" - 36". A five-foot discharge length will not be achievable with a single 12/30 NST.

The archives of this discussion group contain all the information you will need to design, build, and tune a Tesla coil. Spend some time reviewing the posts, and get back when you have specific questions that you can't find the answer to.

If you don't have any knowledge of Tesla coil design, construction, or theory of operation, then spend as much time as necessary reviewing the information on spark-gap Tesla coils presented at: Link2

Regards,
Herr Zapp
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Coronafix
Thu Jun 04 2009, 04:25AM
Coronafix Registered Member #160 Joined: Mon Feb 13 2006, 02:07AM
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Your NST looks fine for Tesla coil use but you won't be getting 4-5' with that little power supply.
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Herr Zapp
Thu Jun 04 2009, 06:02AM
Herr Zapp Registered Member #480 Joined: Thu Jul 06 2006, 07:08PM
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Jonathon -

A well-established formula for estimating the maximum streamer length of an "optimized" spark-gap Tesla coil is the "Freau Formula", which is: maximum streamer length = 1.7 X (square of input power)

In the case of your 12/30 NST, the transformer's rated input power is 360VA (360 volt-amps). Plugging this value into the formula, the maximum streamer length is ~32". It is possible to run the NST at higher than the rated input voltage, or to use a somewhat "risky" design (resonant capacitor value) to draw more than the "rated" power from the NST. These techniques can boost output slightly, but increase the risk of potential reliability problems.

Regards,
Herr Zapp
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HV Enthusiast
Thu Jun 04 2009, 11:10AM
HV Enthusiast Registered Member #15 Joined: Thu Feb 02 2006, 01:11PM
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Jonathan Dennis wrote ...

Just got my NST today, I am looking for any tesla coil experts around Chattanooga TN, USA that can help me with my first project.

Read my paper below. This will give you some good ideas of how to proceed with designing your Tesla coil. Very straightforward.

http://www.easternvoltageresearch.com/designfiles/paper_howto.pdf

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Jonathan Dennis
Thu Jun 04 2009, 06:31PM
Jonathan Dennis Registered Member #2153 Joined: Wed Jun 03 2009, 03:19PM
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Thanks for the NST information everyone. Can I safely plug this into one of my houses standard wall outlets to test it and my spark gap, without the danger of frying my homes circuitry?
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potatorage
Thu Jun 04 2009, 07:36PM
potatorage Registered Member #1891 Joined: Wed Dec 31 2008, 02:30AM
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You can short your NST, it is current limited. Essentially, all a neon sign does is short, but it also creates light and heat
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