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Black Hornet PD1200 micro-copter

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Proud Mary
Wed May 06 2009, 05:57AM Print
Proud Mary Registered Member #543 Joined: Tue Feb 20 2007, 04:26PM
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The Black Hornet PD1200 surveillance micro-copter has 100mm (4") rotor blades, weighs just 15g, and can fly at speeds up to 30km/hr.

The manufacturers claim the helicopter can be carried in a pocket and launched within seconds to give an instant aerial view of military, 'national security', or safety situations.

(As well as snooping through the bedroom windows of The World and His Wife! )


1241589213 543 FT0 Black Hornet Pd1200
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Coronafix
Wed May 06 2009, 09:05AM
Coronafix Registered Member #160 Joined: Mon Feb 13 2006, 02:07AM
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I think it would be a bitch to fly, especially if there is a tiny amount of wind.
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Proud Mary
Wed May 06 2009, 09:35AM
Proud Mary Registered Member #543 Joined: Tue Feb 20 2007, 04:26PM
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I would guess it is remotely flown by a computer.... and that each one costs a tidy fortune. Horrible though it is, it is in its way a marvel of engineering, made with the skills of a watchmaker, I suppose.
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3l3ctrici7y
Wed May 06 2009, 10:10AM
3l3ctrici7y Registered Member #1806 Joined: Sun Nov 09 2008, 04:58AM
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If you think that's small... :)
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GeordieBoy
Wed May 06 2009, 10:11AM
GeordieBoy Registered Member #1232 Joined: Wed Jan 16 2008, 10:53PM
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You can buy little toy helicopters that are infra-red controlled from toy-stalls in the shopping malls up here for about £20.

They are a bitch to fly but they make a fun gift for someone and at that price you can't go far wrong! Just don't try flying it outside as the sunlight seems to block its communication. A mate of mine tried it, despite "indoor use only" on the box. It refused to take off several times then took off and continued upwards out of sight forever! :(

-Richie,
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Proud Mary
Wed May 06 2009, 10:58AM
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I didn't know that Geordie - but one of these things has a payload of Tv camera and GPS etc, so I bet they cost a small fortune to meet a military specification.
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Steve Conner
Wed May 06 2009, 12:41PM
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Link2 Get rid of troublesome mini-UAVs in a flash!
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Proud Mary
Wed May 06 2009, 12:49PM
Proud Mary Registered Member #543 Joined: Tue Feb 20 2007, 04:26PM
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Steve McConner wrote ...

Link2 Get rid of troublesome mini-UAVs in a flash!

A bit low-tech for the forum, but I thought of a butterfly net or a fly-swatter, Steve. smile

In 1984, Orwell anticipates helicopters spying in at people's windows, and now here we are. sad
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Dave Marshall
Thu May 07 2009, 01:46AM
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Weight has a lot less to do with the ability to fly in high wind than prop speed does. I fly an E-flight Blade MCX. It has a low prop speed, and isn't capable of flying in even a slight breeze. Its big brother weighs a bit less than twice as much, but has a rotor speed more than double the MCX, and can quite happily putter along in a 10mph wind.

Really its all about the rotor's speed in relation to the wind its encountering, and the rotor's air output compared to the wind acting on the helicopter body, not how far a given wind speed can fling a ball of paper the same weight as the helicopter.

-Dave
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Plasma Lover
Thu May 07 2009, 03:16AM
Plasma Lover Registered Member #1911 Joined: Mon Jan 05 2009, 06:30PM
Location: Salem, Oregon, USA
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Dave Marshall wrote ...

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Really its all about the rotor's speed in relation to the wind its encountering, and the rotor's air output compared to the wind acting on the helicopter body, not how far a given wind speed can fling a ball of paper the same weight as the helicopter.

-Dave

That is a good point; the gyroscopic forces do have a great deal of influence in the aircraft's stability, and once the aircraft is off the ground, it should be able to stay in the air if it has enough gyroscopic force and a fair pilot to right it when he sees it being pushed by the wind.

Here's a good question - If we can get these little hobby helicopters off the ground with pager motors, why can't we get scaled up versions off the ground with some real, heavy-duty motors and larger batteries? There would be greater efficiency and the ability to use hollow materials for the chassis construction, making the weight to power output ratio even better for us. Am I missing something extremely crucial?
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