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kilovolt
Tue Mar 10 2009, 08:50PM Print
kilovolt Registered Member #2018 Joined: Tue Mar 10 2009, 09:56AM
Location: Switzerland
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Dear HV-Freaks out there wink

I'm new in this forum, but i do hv-experiments for quite a long time now. My latest project was the following little twin-sstc:
At first some pics:

Whole setup:
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driver-electronics and power amplifier:
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bridge-part:
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oscillator and driver part:
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one of the secondaries:
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some arcs:
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Power level is a bit more than 1kW, arc length is between 30cm and 40cm. Resonant frequency of the coils is about 300kHz.

Sorry for my uncomfortable language skills... my motherlanguage ist swissgerman wink

Greetings from switzerland wink
kilovolt
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Kizmo
Tue Mar 10 2009, 08:56PM
Kizmo Registered Member #599 Joined: Thu Mar 22 2007, 07:40PM
Location: Northern Finland, Rovaniemi
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Nice setup!

Love your clean wiring. Are you running this from fixed freq oscillator or feedback?
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rp181
Tue Mar 10 2009, 09:43PM
rp181 Registered Member #1062 Joined: Tue Oct 16 2007, 02:01AM
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Very nice, and as said neat. That deserves a nice case =)
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uzzors2k
Tue Mar 10 2009, 10:03PM
uzzors2k Registered Member #95 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 04:57PM
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That's awesome, good job!
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teslacoolguy
Tue Mar 10 2009, 10:35PM
teslacoolguy Registered Member #1107 Joined: Thu Nov 08 2007, 10:09PM
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Very nice setup wink It's good to see a new experienced member here on the forum.....welcome aboard!
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aonomus
Wed Mar 11 2009, 01:40AM
aonomus Registered Member #1497 Joined: Thu May 22 2008, 05:24AM
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Very nice job, welcome to the forum kilovolt!

Are those things running out of phase (for bigger sparks?)

Also, is that thing running without DC bus caps? Those halfbridges don't appear to have dc smoothing caps.
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kilovolt
Wed Mar 11 2009, 07:48AM
kilovolt Registered Member #2018 Joined: Tue Mar 10 2009, 09:56AM
Location: Switzerland
Posts: 74
Many thanks for this friendly welcome! i like this forum smile

@Kizmo:
Thank you! Yes, you're right, the oscillator is just a fixed frequency circuit with a TL494.

@rp181:
thanks wink Unfortunately i have to admit, that i'm not able to build nice cases, so i normally don't build cases for my hv-circuits.

@uzzors and teslacoolguy:
Thank you very much for the nice welcome wink

@aonomus:
Yes, indeed, both resonators are running 180° out of phase. But in fact, the behaviour of the resonators is bit strange. They seem to influence each other. The spark-length would be greater if i just would drive one resonator with the same input power. I don't know why. Since i removed the GND from the secondaries and just tied them together, it works better, but still the performance seems to be not as good as with just one resonator at the same power.

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GeordieBoy
Wed Mar 11 2009, 01:45PM
GeordieBoy Registered Member #1232 Joined: Wed Jan 16 2008, 10:53PM
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It's interesting that you had to raise the primary coil for the resonator on the right by a centimeter or so. Presumably the system is quite sensitive to changes in coupling if this made a difference!

You might find that putting little metal rods or foil bumps on the two toroids to act as breakout points improves performance of the twin coil.

Are your two primary coils connected in series or in parallel? I once did an analysis of this and seem to remember that the behaviour of a twin would be quite different with these two methods of connection. Can't remember which one would work best though!

-Richie,
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Alexandre
Wed Mar 11 2009, 05:17PM
Alexandre Registered Member #1228 Joined: Tue Jan 15 2008, 01:08AM
Location: Curitiba, Brazil
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niceeeee
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kilovolt
Wed Mar 11 2009, 06:08PM
kilovolt Registered Member #2018 Joined: Tue Mar 10 2009, 09:56AM
Location: Switzerland
Posts: 74
Hello Richie wink

Thank you very much for your information.

It's interesting that you had to raise the primary coil for the resonator on the right by a centimeter or so. Presumably the system is quite sensitive to changes in coupling if this made a difference!
Well noticed wink The primary right is a bit higher placed indeed. This is due to the fact, that the resonance frequencies of both resonators are not exactly the same. By changing the coupling, there are not the same amount of windings of the secondary "activated", so the resonance-frequency can also be changed slightly for becoming excatly the same value.

You might find that putting little metal rods or foil bumps on the two toroids to act as breakout points improves performance of the twin coil.
In fact, there are break-out-points on the toploads, but these can't be seen very good.

Are your two primary coils connected in series or in parallel? I once did an analysis of this and seem to remember that the behaviour of a twin would be quite different with these two methods of connection. Can't remember which one would work best though!
Both primaries are driven separated from each other with separate half-bridges. In an earlier setup i had both primaries serial connected, but this didn't work very well in my case (but mainly due to other problems i had, for example there were other secondaries with too high resonance frequencies, and this killed the bridge). After the shoot-through, i decided to build a completely new design with two separated halfbridges. These can also be connected to one fullbridge for driving just one coil with double power.

@alexandre:
Thank you smile

Daniel





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