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Backyard Skunkworks
Mon Feb 23 2009, 07:12PM
Backyard Skunkworks Registered Member #1262 Joined: Fri Jan 25 2008, 05:22AM
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I've never worked with galinstan, but my chemistry instincts tell me that polyfluorocarbons would not wet. So I'd test it on some Teflon.
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aonomus
Mon Feb 23 2009, 09:13PM
aonomus Registered Member #1497 Joined: Thu May 22 2008, 05:24AM
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Just to put it in perspective, NaK pretty much *explodes* with any moisture or free protons.... Even though ammonia doesn't have a free proton, it was never stated as anhydrous or a solution in a different solvent....

We can probably help you better if you describe the process that you are trying to do, there may be alternatives that don't require a liquid metal.
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AndrewM
Tue Feb 24 2009, 07:09AM
AndrewM Registered Member #49 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 04:05AM
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I certainly don't require a metal, but my density requirement makes a liquid metal an obvious choice. I have a gas nozzle in the bottom of a vessel which needs to be isolated from the contents of the vessel while still being able to deliver gas. Whatever I choose, its gotta sink to the bottom of the vessel and not dissolve or react with the contents.

Also my first post says the ammonia would be aqueous, so I've already discounted NaK

Sorry for being coy, you know how it is when you're not working alone. ::sigh::
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Bored Chemist
Tue Feb 24 2009, 06:11PM
Bored Chemist Registered Member #193 Joined: Fri Feb 17 2006, 07:04AM
Location: sheffield
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I seem to have been overdosing on the stupid pills. I thought that you needed a liquid metal for conduction of electricity or heat.

If all you need is something dull and dense then you could try the "fomblin" range of oils or the "Fluorinert" oils.
The problem with these is that you might want to sit down and take a deep breath before looking at the prices.
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Vegemeister
Mon Mar 16 2009, 09:02AM
Vegemeister Registered Member #2027 Joined: Mon Mar 16 2009, 07:34AM
Location: Texas
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Try a perchlorinated parrafin. Fluorinated ones work too, but they're hidiously expensive, and much harder to synthesize yourself. If you, like everyone and their brother these days, are operating a chlorate cell, Get some PVC and put one of these around your anode.

_______
|     |
|    ====(hose)
|     |
|  ------(wire)
|  |  |
|  |  |
|  |  |
:  A  :
:  N  :
:  O  :  <= Fiberglass cloth, terra cotta, pvc with holes angled outward down, etc. 
:  D  :     (Could be solid, but conductivity is better with something porous)
:  E  :

Lead the chlorine through a water bubbler to get rid of the salt and a CaCl2 dryer for the water, then bubble into a beaker of mineral oil under strong sunlight (or a high power UV lamp if you have such a thing.)

Free Radical Halogenation
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speakerguy79
Fri Mar 20 2009, 05:14AM
speakerguy79 Registered Member #1460 Joined: Thu May 01 2008, 12:45AM
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How dense is Flourinert?
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Bored Chemist
Fri Mar 20 2009, 06:57AM
Bored Chemist Registered Member #193 Joined: Fri Feb 17 2006, 07:04AM
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Fluorinert.
about 1.8 g/ml.
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speakerguy79
Tue Mar 24 2009, 05:20PM
speakerguy79 Registered Member #1460 Joined: Thu May 01 2008, 12:45AM
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So would flourinert work? It's not cheap but you can get a gallon of the stuff for what a tiny amount of a Gallium eutectic would cost you.
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