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Backyard Skunkworks

Tue Jan 27 2009, 04:47PM

Registered Member #1262 Joined: Fri Jan 25 2008, 05:22AM
Location: Maryland, USA
Posts: 451

I'm really sorry that I cause such a commotion over the idea of a membership test!

I was just thinking along the lines of fewer "how does i used scr?" threads. Hopefully better integration with the wiki will help overcome this instead!

Chris Russell

Tue Jan 27 2009, 04:55PM

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Registered Member #1 Joined: Thu Jan 26 2006, 12:18AM
Location: Tempe, Arizona
Posts: 1052

Backyard Skunkworks wrote ...

I'm really sorry that I cause such a commotion over the idea of a membership test!

I was just thinking along the lines of fewer "how does i used scr?" threads. Hopefully better integration with the wiki will help overcome this instead!

It's a common idea. It's been kicked around many times. It's just that upon careful inspection, we realize that it's not the people with little knowledge that's the problem. There's a big difference between "how does I used scr?" and "Despite reviewing literature on the subject, I just don't know how an SCR would be used in a circuit. Does anyone have a simulation or an example I could look at?" Both posters know nothing about how to use an SCR, but one shows potential to be a great member. The test would turn them both away, in theory.

As was mentioned above, it's more of a question of manners, conduct, and getting along with others. It's just about impossible to test for those things.

Andyman

Tue Jan 27 2009, 06:07PM

Registered Member #1083 Joined: Mon Oct 29 2007, 06:16PM
Location: Upland, California
Posts: 256

Would it be feasible to have the first 10 or so posts of new members reviewed by the mods BEFORE they get posted to the forums? That way, we would have a sort of "quality control" system keeping the forums neat.

The post would be reviewed by the mods and then they could decide whether or not it is worthy of posting. If not, the poster could be contacted with information about why their post was not made public, eg. spelling, grammar, off-topic, etc. and leave it up to them to revise the post to meet a certain level of quality. Or maybe just send them a copy of the site rules to read again.
I think a certain amount of leniency should be shown to some people. I understand that some people come from other countries where english is their second language, so their grammar may make the post sound unintelligent.

Austin

Tue Jan 27 2009, 06:37PM

Registered Member #1169 Joined: Wed Dec 12 2007, 09:16AM
Location: Portland OR
Posts: 251

What about setting up an "advanced" channel that is not write accessible to the general public. Only members with write access or sufficient rating can post in there. This way we are not discouraging new people from joining and posting their questions but it limits those questions to only a certain channel. Thus people who are bothered by the noise don't have to go to those channels and the members who are not bothered can still help the newbs if they want!

Plus gaining the right to post in the "advanced" channel might give new people something to look forward to? Maybe new members gain the write access to the advanced channel after they contribute to the community or help other people out... dunno what u guys think?

^------- award winning idea! Everyone is happy.

101111

Tue Jan 27 2009, 07:09PM

Registered Member #575 Joined: Sun Mar 11 2007, 04:00AM
Location: Norway
Posts: 263

diyaudio have a system that works like this: When you have just registered and post a new thread, the thread needs to be accepted by a mod so other members on the forum can see it.
After the first thread you can post without the need of a mod to accept it. Maybe we could have a similar system here?
For instance, the first three threads you make needs to be accepted by a moderator before it gets public.

Dave47

Wed Jan 28 2009, 12:56AM

Registered Member #84 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 01:06PM
Location: Dallas, TX
Posts: 47

I just hope that old guys like me that don't post much don't have to jump through too many hoops to get into the new forum. I work a lot and have kids, so I don't do much else here than read, but I do post occasionally.

I plan on posting more in about 20 years when I retire :).

David

teslacoolguy

Wed Jan 28 2009, 05:59PM

Registered Member #1107 Joined: Thu Nov 08 2007, 10:09PM
Location:
Posts: 792

I have to agree with the idea to have a "evaluation period" but there is one thing that may be a problem. If a member joins and doesn't get accepted, what is to stop him from creating another account and post the same things over again? I think there should be a 2 chance rule. If a member joins and doesn't get accepted then the account should be put on hold for an X amount of time and when the time is up the person could do the trial period again and if they pass this time then they can come into the forum. What do you think about this?

coillah

Thu Jan 29 2009, 08:40AM

Registered Member #1517 Joined: Wed Jun 04 2008, 06:55AM
Location: Chico CA
Posts: 304

If you are going to have an eval period, make sure there are enough mods around to eval everyone in a timely manner. If I encountered a forum where you couldnt post past say 20, until you were approved, and it took longer than a day or so to approve me, I wouldn't bother with the forum anymore.

I think an better, more complete Wiki is a great idea. This idea will solve most of the noise posts, without having to step to a level of conceded snobbishness.

I think exercising self control over your gut reaction to new posters should become a membership requirement. And honestly, I don't mind taking care of the newb posts. Why? because it helps me with my confidence. If I can confidently answer a newb's question, it means I am growing, and the newb appreciates it because it helps them. If the answer is too obvious or could be found easily I will always ignore the post.

We can all agree that most "nerdy" engineering/science types, are not blessed in the ways of patience with those not beaten at birth with the smart stick (eh?), so lets try and develop some for the sake of the high voltage hobbies.

One way or another we will get newbs. But we gotta deal with it. Realize that the internet is one of the first places where intelligence from almost all levels, can mix and mingle. Its a beautiful site, but don't forget that everyone has control over who they speak to. Ignore if you must, but don't just block out the newbs! Love the newbs... and live long HV!

If you gotta make an evaluation period, once again, make sure the system will not be in place to exclude those truly interested. Also, have we thought about how it might affect posts concerning ideas people might be kicking around? Some of them might seem dumb at first... I would hate to cast an attitude over these forums that is anything like the attitude seen in most classrooms today.

That's all I have to say about this. If you are wondering why such a new member is so adamant about voicing his opinion on these matters, its because I see myself sticking around 4HV for a long time, and I really hope that it keeps all its original qualities, friendliness, helpfulness, patience, and respect. I'd hate to see us so obsessed with the smell of our own farts that we forget to lift our heads from between our legs to say hello to an interested, potential member...:-)

Tom540

Thu Jan 29 2009, 06:17PM

Banned on 3/17/2009.
Registered Member #487 Joined: Sun Jul 09 2006, 01:22AM
Location:
Posts: 617

Update the hell out of the wiki and make sure that the "flyback driver" and "steves mini sstc" sections have a ton of info and that should eliminate 92% of all newb posts.

To be honest I kind of get sick of reading that stuff. Reminds me of the BEAM robot forums on yahoo. Its like people go there as noobs to learn but once they know enough they bail and move on so the BEAM forums are forever a noob haven. heh

big5824

Fri Jan 30 2009, 04:25PM

Registered Member #1687 Joined: Tue Sept 09 2008, 08:47PM
Location: UK, Darlington
Posts: 240

slightly off topic, but chris have you ever thought of adding a shoutbox kind of thing? somewhere to ask quick questions not worthy of a post, like right now i just want to check that scrs do turn off if the current flows from cathode to anode (conventional current)

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