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Hazmatt_(The Underdog)
Sat May 08 2010, 01:38AM
Hazmatt_(The Underdog) Registered Member #135 Joined: Sat Feb 11 2006, 12:06AM
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Cool Pic Indeed. Unfortunately they don't work, but I have 3 good projects here, and they will work, I will it so!
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Andyman
Sat May 08 2010, 03:01AM
Andyman Registered Member #1083 Joined: Mon Oct 29 2007, 06:16PM
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Oh, cool is one of those an old FM deviation meter?
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Hazmatt_(The Underdog)
Sat May 08 2010, 04:22AM
Hazmatt_(The Underdog) Registered Member #135 Joined: Sat Feb 11 2006, 12:06AM
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No. These are curve tracers. The tube one passes basic functionality tek 575, I haven't tried the 576's yet.
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Dr. Drone
Sat May 08 2010, 08:12AM
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Steve Conner
Sat May 08 2010, 07:43PM
Steve Conner Registered Member #30 Joined: Fri Feb 03 2006, 10:52AM
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10,000 pins! Pix or it didn't happen! wink

The Jasper Forest processor has 1366 pins, or lands if you want to be pedantic.
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I still haven't forgiven Intel for bringing out the Core Duo the week after I bought my Pentium 4.
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Bjørn
Sat May 08 2010, 08:25PM
Bjørn Registered Member #27 Joined: Fri Feb 03 2006, 02:20AM
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As far as I can tell Dr. Spark is talking about test equipment and not about chip packages but it is quite hard to decode the true meaning.

Here is a picture I took 5-6 years ago of one of those motherboard microcontrollers. Their main function was to handle the keyboard as far as I recall.


1273350351 27 FT6000 Cpu
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IntraWinding
Sat May 08 2010, 10:02PM
IntraWinding Registered Member #2261 Joined: Mon Aug 03 2009, 01:19AM
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LGA 1366, also known as Socket B Link2
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MinorityCarrier
Sun May 09 2010, 06:56AM
MinorityCarrier Registered Member #2123 Joined: Sat May 16 2009, 03:10AM
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In 1986 I was a Semiconductor Process Engineer (Photolithography/Wet Etch/Planarization) working for Applied Micro-Circuits Corporation (AMCC) in San Diego. I was part of the BiCMOS team that developed AMCC's 350MHz BiCMOS mixed-signal gate array family (introduced in 1989).

So how does RF cause electrons to quantum-tunnel away from a floating EPROM gate?
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Bored Chemist
Sun May 09 2010, 08:50AM
Bored Chemist Registered Member #193 Joined: Fri Feb 17 2006, 07:04AM
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The old-school way to erase them (if you didn't have a UV lamp, or time for the sun to do it) was to bake them in the oven.
I can imagine RF heating works just fine.
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Conundrum
Sun May 09 2010, 09:38AM
Conundrum Registered Member #96 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 05:37PM
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actually there is a mechanism for RF to work, but it requires there to be an inert gas inside the gap between the chip and case.
the basic mechanism is that you apply HV at RF to the top of the casing above the chip and ground all the pins.
if the field is sufficiently strong the gas ionises and wipes the chip in much the same way as uv does.
the catch is that this doesen't do the chip much good but it can work when all else fails (esp. on stubborn 27Cxx chips with stuck bits)

interestingly those old chips often developed failed areas due to (presumably) "tired" cells.
Worked fine once rewritten but the memory failed in weeks rather than years.

If you do ever see a failed chip and want to salvage the program one way is to read back at multiple voltages (5V, 4.4V and 4V) and see which bits change.
Then it becomes a trivial exercise to determine which combination is correct :)

I've used a homemade emergency light + UVC tube before, worked fine.
On the flip side those "UV toothbrush cleaners" ought to work, if anyone sees one in a sale.

-A
"Bother" said Pooh, as he discovered giant hornets in his loft...
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