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optoisolators vs GDTs

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Steve Conner
Sat Nov 29 2008, 08:48AM
Steve Conner Registered Member #30 Joined: Fri Feb 03 2006, 10:52AM
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The 74OL6000 is one of the fastest I've seen.

I also designed a GDT-based driver that overcomes the disadvantage that Lithiumlord mentioned, and I think others have done the same.
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Avi
Sat Nov 29 2008, 11:02AM
Avi Registered Member #580 Joined: Mon Mar 12 2007, 03:17PM
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with an opto-isolator, wouldn't you still need to design a high side drive circuit? whereas a GDT, you don't.
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Linas
Sat Nov 29 2008, 01:21PM
Linas Registered Member #1143 Joined: Sun Nov 25 2007, 04:55PM
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Steve Ward wrote ...

Now, though, i use some new isolators by TI (look up ISO721). They have only 10nS propagation delay, really pretty awesome parts.
i think use ISO72X isolators for my DRSSTcoil, but are they good at my task ?? ??
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TheBoozer
Sat Nov 29 2008, 01:25PM
TheBoozer Registered Member #1535 Joined: Wed Jun 11 2008, 11:37PM
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In regards to driving the high side transistors, it was just as Steve Ward said. Use isolated power supplies to drive the opto's or build a bootstrap design. Bootstrap seems easy. An extra diode and capacitor, but the high side opto's only get their power capacitor charged up when the corresponding lower transistor fires. This could lead to complications. I made one. It works. I blew it up several times. I've abandoned that. I still have one design I've built with isolated power supplies. Haven't blown that one yet. These have advantages, but it certainly costs more...
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Curtis
Sat Nov 29 2008, 06:53PM
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ok, so why is there an issue with using drsstcs fed with voltage doublers? most optos ive seen are rated to stand off 3.5kv to 5kv. surely there is not that much voltage floating around in the tank circuit is there. the switches are only rated up to like 1200v
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LithiumLord
Sat Nov 29 2008, 11:23PM
LithiumLord Registered Member #1739 Joined: Fri Oct 03 2008, 10:05AM
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Steve McConner wrote ...
I also designed a GDT-based driver that overcomes the disadvantage that Lithiumlord mentioned, and I think others have done the same.
You mean which one - the size or the unipolar-exponential signal shape or the current? It all can be done with a GDT of course (even the signal shape), so basicly it all depends on your own preference - there's no absolute solution ;)
BSVi wrote ...

I have blown 6n137 up. The reason i found for this is high CM noise in drsstc. I use GDT since and have no problems )
Didn't check that concept for DRSSTCs, however in my ISSTC the coupler-based drive works well, the only two blows I had were after some serious overpower causing one overcurrent failure and one interference issue in the feeding circuits on the early test build. Other than those two accidents I had no blows at all, running like 2kW burst average power with sparks hitting a 60cm-away glass in smoothed-DC interrupted mode for a really long time already (both per-day and total work time) - even had a few flashovers on the early builds without any failure, so seems like at least that particular driver concept is a success.
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Steve Conner
Sun Nov 30 2008, 02:21PM
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I mean the drivers described in this thread: Link2

They use a MOSFET driver stage after the GDT, which just carries a control signal, and another similar transformer to supply HF power to the driver. The driver switches between -12 and +24V and never hangs around at 0.
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LithiumLord
Sun Nov 30 2008, 07:54PM
LithiumLord Registered Member #1739 Joined: Fri Oct 03 2008, 10:05AM
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Hehe this is not a GDT drive :D
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