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Hazmatt_(The Underdog)

Tue Oct 21 2008, 08:00AM

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I think this is halirious. Pretty soon you won't be able to buy petrol (gas here) for your car because terrorists can use that to make something nasty.

Legal insanity here and everywhere else is the result of a government unwilling to prosecute criminals, so what you have is everyone being treated as guilty until proven innocent. ( a bit of history, you had to prove your innocence in court over there or you were guilty, so your legal woes are in keeping with the spirit of your country. The US strove to change that, but unfortunately our criminals "run the jail" so we're not much better off now either.)

The whole answer is pretty simple, If you want to protect the innocent from criminals wether terrorist or not, go after the criminals. If your country has criminals in charge they will pretty much let the country go to hell, and that's what's happening in my neighborhood. All of our government's are too afraid to "label" someone for fear of offending them, so you get this kind of legislation. It won't stop until everyone grows up and gets real. (which will probably take several thousand years for humanity to get there).

Just a thought for you... draft a law that requires terrorists to carry ID cards. That way they can make sure the right terrorist committed the right act.
If that law passes then you know you're in really deep shit because the government knows and has given their blessing, and you are no longer safe.

Steve Conner

Tue Oct 21 2008, 09:55AM

Registered Member #30 Joined: Fri Feb 03 2006, 10:52AM
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Chris Russell wrote ...

My biggest fear is that home hobby electronics will come under assault, the way chemistry has.

Well, who's making a link between electronics and terrorism? Electronics is a multi-billion dollar global industry that contributes a lot to the world economy. Totally different to the "War Against Terror", then.

The link between chemistry and terrorism is more obvious, in the years I've been on this forum, I've seen a good proportion of threads in Chemistry that were about explosives or explosive precursors. The rest were threads whining about how teenagers can't buy explosives or drug precursors in the US any more. I suspect a lot of kids get a kick out of thinking that their hobby activities are indistinguishable from drug production or terrorism, and having their friends believe this. It probably makes them feel orders of magnitude more significant than they really are: like Echelon even cared about what they were buying on Ebay.

As an ex-hobbyist turned pro, I've only been worried a few times. Once was when my boss had to carry a hand-built prototype gizmo that we made ourselves in the lab, on a plane. We checked that the batteries inside were certified for air transport, and gave him a screwdriver so he could open it for security if necessary, but apparently there were no hassles.

Of course, airport security weren't obliged to even let him take the screwdriver on the plane, let alone the unit itself. If you want to see a real totalitarian police state, try airport security. The area inside planes and beyond the scanners in airports is essentially another state, and it's a gray area as to which country's laws apply to it, and the security guys seem to know this and make the most of it. Maybe they are actually the Fourth Reich, or aliens, or both, but enough conspiracy theories for now.

The other time was when I tried to order military lithium-ion batteries from an American supplier, for a portable instrument we were developing, and the US Govt. blocked the export of them. We managed to convince Uncle Sam that we weren't going to build anything evil out of them in the end, and they seem to be pretty good batteries, too.

Where is Chuck Norris when we need him?

aonomus

Tue Oct 21 2008, 02:54PM

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Steve McConner wrote ...

Where is Chuck Norris when we need him?

He's here:

In all seriousness though I think 4HV has done a very good job of self-policing in a way, whenever some youngster posts about a EMP or microwave gun or explosives or script kiddy stuff, we either don't answer, or we smack them upside the head...

My new theory is that if *ANYTHING* kills electronics for a hobby, it will be soccer moms. :D Soccer moms see something that looks (and probably is dangerous if the person is careless) dangerous and immediately goes NIMBY and tries to ban it across the country via email spam/chain emails.

Dr. Slack

Tue Oct 21 2008, 03:05PM

Registered Member #72 Joined: Thu Feb 09 2006, 08:29AM
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My new theory is that if *ANYTHING* kills electronics for a hobby, it will be soccer moms. :D Soccer moms see something that looks (and probably is dangerous if the person is careless) dangerous and immediately goes NIMBY and tries to ban it across the country via email spam/chain emails.

The new NIMBY is BANANA. (Bring | Build | Bury) Absolutely Nothing Anywhere Near (Anything | Anybody | Anywhere)

Bored Chemist

Tue Oct 21 2008, 04:50PM

Registered Member #193 Joined: Fri Feb 17 2006, 07:04AM
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If the government really thinks these sort of changes will make it harder for bad people to do bad things then why not put the matter to the vote?
However the opinion poles strongly suggest that these ideas are not acccepted by the public.

Bang goes democracy- which is one of the things the terrorists wated in the first place.

Also the government seem not to have noticed that making soemthing (like owning a 'phone without some sort of license) illegal, doesn't stop bad people doing it.

If they stop people buying 'phones without giving ID then the bad guys will have to steal a 'phone.
So, add one more to the tally of victims.

Did they really think this sort of thing through?

Dr. Drone

Tue Oct 21 2008, 11:45PM

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aonomus

Wed Oct 22 2008, 12:51AM

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Dr. Spark wrote ...

Ohhhhhhhhhhh, I am looking forward to next trip in Febâ€¦..! Hope I make it back.

Cheers,
Ch

Write out your will before going, and don't forget us 4hv'ers :P

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