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Chris Cristini
Fri Oct 10 2008, 02:17AM Print
Chris Cristini Registered Member #1749 Joined: Fri Oct 10 2008, 02:04AM
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i used a 18v cordless drill trigger and transistor but i doubled the input from 18 to 36 it got hot so i putt it all in a jar full of vegetable oil how can i lower the frequency so it is not so loud? its so loud it hurts.
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CT2
Fri Oct 10 2008, 02:26AM
CT2 Registered Member #180 Joined: Thu Feb 16 2006, 02:12AM
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I have no idea what you did, and I'm not sure anyone else will, and that means no one can really help you. You used the variable speed controller from a drill as a flyback driver? But the output from the flyback, or the actual circuit is making noise? More detail on what you did would help.
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Chris Cristini
Fri Oct 10 2008, 02:38AM
Chris Cristini Registered Member #1749 Joined: Fri Oct 10 2008, 02:04AM
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oh im sorry it is just when i draw an ark it is very high pitch did i do something that has not been done yet it makes nice high power arcs lol
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Dr. Dark Current
Fri Oct 10 2008, 06:00AM
Dr. Dark Current Registered Member #152 Joined: Sun Feb 12 2006, 03:36PM
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you use the single transistor driver right? If so try to wind the feedback coil tightly over the primary and put spacers in the flyback core if you haven't already.


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Dr. SSTC
Fri Oct 10 2008, 07:04AM
Dr. SSTC Registered Member #1407 Joined: Fri Mar 21 2008, 07:09AM
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No he used the simple pulse width modulator found in a cordless drill, its a bascicly a SMD ne555 with a couple of resistors conected to a slidble brush which is moved when you press the trigger, inturn changing the pulse width, which send a signal to a rather large mosfet +33 amps or so.

Ok to answer your question no you cant change the frequency that is why its called a 'fixed frequency pulse width modulator. Look it up on google cheesey
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Chris Cristini
Fri Oct 10 2008, 12:55PM
Chris Cristini Registered Member #1749 Joined: Fri Oct 10 2008, 02:04AM
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ok i will get some pics of it so u all can see how big the arcs are its pretty cool

oh and i used one of the coils on the transformer it works better than my own coils on the core i must not be winding tight enough
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teslacoolguy
Fri Oct 10 2008, 03:37PM
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IT seems like your cordless drill oscillator is running in the audible range around 14-17khz and that is what is causing the loud hi pitch noise. If it is a 555 driving it then try to decrease the resistance between pin 7 and 8 and then decrease the resistance between pin 7 and 2 noting that pin 6 and 2 are connected together. there is also a capacitor on there that will give you a higher frequency if you lower it's value. Remember this is only if it is being driven by a 555 timer.
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Chris Cristini
Sat Oct 11 2008, 01:07AM
Chris Cristini Registered Member #1749 Joined: Fri Oct 10 2008, 02:04AM
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i don't think it is a 555 timer the top numbers are cpx9 and the bottom numbers are e9538 it is a very small ic smaller than 555 but still 8 pins

this is my set up
1223686830 1749 FT55426 1111


this is my jar full of oil and i can get the arc much bigger it was a hard pic
1223687199 1749 FT55426 S6300715

1223687199 1749 FT55426 S6300719

1223687199 1749 FT55426 S6300717

1223687199 1749 FT55426 S6300718



can i dip my fly back in the oil to? will i get any losses in voltage or current.


[Edit: Don't post several times in a row, edit your previous post instead.]
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Arcstarter
Sun Oct 12 2008, 01:30AM
Arcstarter Registered Member #1225 Joined: Sat Jan 12 2008, 01:24AM
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I wonder if this is not a squarewave oscillator? Maybe it is a sawtooth, like maybe an scr and diac? Because don't flybacks run only on squarewave? If it is like a magneto, maybe it only runs on one type of 'oscillation'. Magnetos run only on a sinewave, otherwise they have low output and heat up pretty bad.
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Chris Cristini
Sun Oct 12 2008, 01:36AM
Chris Cristini Registered Member #1749 Joined: Fri Oct 10 2008, 02:04AM
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i am not to sure would i need an oscilloscope to find out?
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