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PlasmaSonic II based SSTC, with poor performance

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Cotlone
Mon Oct 06 2008, 01:04AM
Cotlone Registered Member #1383 Joined: Mon Mar 10 2008, 11:09AM
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Thanks Dan I really appreciate your help. I'll get into that now.
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Cotlone
Mon Oct 06 2008, 03:27AM
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I measured the inductance to be about 0.55mH and when the secondaries were connected my multimeter read 0.00mH but assuming it was 0.01mH (minimum readable inductance on my meter) then k = 0.9909, otherwise its obviously 1.

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Cotlone
Mon Oct 06 2008, 04:46AM
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This is the secondary signal with no resistor and 0.7uF polyester cap in series.



GDT Sec 0R0 700n MOSFET


Bad transformer ?
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Mates
Mon Oct 06 2008, 02:39PM
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Maybe I'm completely wrong but it seems you have a death time on your output from your gate driver. Is it even possible to a have death time in case you are using GT? I've always thought that you need freq. modulation and not PW in case you use GT or not??? What are the wave forms in case you set it up with zero death times?

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Mon Oct 06 2008, 05:26PM
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The plasmasonic does try to send a ~25% duty cycle through the GDT (thus the need for 2 of them), so that is to be expected.

I have never built one, but it does seem like ringing and overshoot would be a big problem, although Dan must have found some way around it...
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uzzors2k
Mon Oct 06 2008, 05:58PM
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Mates wrote ...

Is it even possible to a have death time in case you are using GT?

It's perfectly possible, you just need to short the core during deadtime.
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Dylan
Mon Oct 06 2008, 10:26PM
Dylan Registered Member #1024 Joined: Sun Sept 23 2007, 10:56AM
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I notice you have quite different waveforms on each GDT. Assuming both are the same core,wound and layed out the same, it may well be something else.
I would be triple checking the layout of your output bridge, and replacing all driver chips.
Have you tried swapping just the GDT's and seeing if the waveforms follow?

I am assuming of course that the waveforms on each GDT in the plasmasonic should be the same.
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HV Enthusiast
Tue Oct 07 2008, 01:43AM
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Uzzors wrote ...

Mates wrote ...

Is it even possible to a have death time in case you are using GT?

It's perfectly possible, you just need to short the core during deadtime.

Dead time (not death time) is 50%. This is done purposely as to reduce power dissipation in the MOSFETs. Bias state is 25% ON time which when pulse width modulated can modulate from 0% to 50% max.

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Cotlone
Tue Oct 07 2008, 02:33AM
Cotlone Registered Member #1383 Joined: Mon Mar 10 2008, 11:09AM
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Dylan wrote ...

I notice you have quite different waveforms on each GDT. Assuming both are the same core,wound and layed out the same, it may well be something else.
I would be triple checking the layout of your output bridge, and replacing all driver chips.
Have you tried swapping just the GDT's and seeing if the waveforms follow?

I am assuming of course that the waveforms on each GDT in the plasmasonic should be the same.

Well the cores the reason for the earlier differences in waveform was due to two dead gate zeners, having fixed that the cores appear more consistent.

The plasmasonic signal should be the same with the except a 180deg phase shift and possible differences in pulse width.

I've been experiencing this waveform for pretty each of the 5 or so different GDT pairs I've wound.

To those experienced out there, what seems most likely? That the core material could be incorrect (though claimed to be type 77, which is said to be fine), or there is a leakage problem between the secondaries and the MOSFETs or that it is some other factor on the board (or off it for that matter :) ).

cheers
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Coronafix
Tue Oct 07 2008, 02:56AM
Coronafix Registered Member #160 Joined: Mon Feb 13 2006, 02:07AM
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You could try a core from Jaycar to see if it is any different.
There's one in Keira St Wollongong. (from the back of the manual)
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